Holloway Out

[West London is Rss]

We've lurched from one extreme to the other in recent years as well. We're a reasonable size club with a good reputation - who were in the premier league recently.
I don't like how all of a sudden we are being made to accept by the board that we have to be a club with limited ambitions who can't attract decent players and managers.
TF and co. have sucked all the ambition out of this club in the last couple of years IMO.

I don't like how I feel like I am being told by the board that we should now be pleased to be staying in the championship with so many 'big clubs' in this league - whilst still paying over £500 for my season ticket.

Why am I being made to feel like we're now a club the size of Burton Albion as opposed to the ambition of getting like and being a club the size that Brighton are now.

I don't like how we are basically being told not to have ambition as fans anymore, and to basically accept that we aren't going to bring players like Jordan Rhodes and managers like Karanka to this club, by the same people that ####ed away any money they should of sensibly spent. Why should the ambition change even if the budget does? Look at Bournemouth.

As a fan I just feel like I've been constantly conned by this ownership and board for the past 5 years now.

[topperharley]

Agreed, but the timing is controlled by us. We didn't need to sack JFH when we did. We could have waited until we had somebody better lined up. In fact, we could even have pulled the plug quicker with the scandal about bungs that was doing the rounds, if it has suited us of course. The fact there was nobody better available at that time is not an excuse. In fact, it's a further indication of our own incompetence, given we chose to pull the plug at that particular moment!

Can't disagree with any of that mate. Hammer, meet nail.

[Tarbie]

This is an excellent point.

I still reckon there is an element of luck and timing involved in getting the right people in. It doesn't always work, for every successful 'find' there are more than likely an equal number of failures.

However for 3 teams in this league to do so well, and us seemingly not even able to try and find managers like this, there has to gaps in how we find them.

Agreed, but the timing is controlled by us. We didn't need to sack JFH when we did. We could have waited until we had somebody better lined up. In fact, we could even have pulled the plug quicker with the scandal about bungs that was doing the rounds, if it has suited us of course. The fact there was nobody better available at that time is not an excuse. In fact, it's a further indication of our own incompetence, given we chose to pull the plug at that particular moment!

[Cjskinz]

Ollie had won me over after Rotherham game, even though we didn't play that well but he lost me again on Saturday with that interview. I would love him to prove me wrong again but if he feels the way he spoke after Saturday then he is on a very rocky road because he lost a lot of fans after that interview.

Very poor interview yes, as was Les' about the Newcastle stuff. Need a new PR manager lol

I've still got a feeling. I know things are going very badly at the moment (but again against some very good in form teams) but first time in forever I actually have hope rather than just being fed up with it all.

Stability is what we need. If we stay up (which we should) then we should keep Ollie.

[jmelanie]

We thought we had found an up and coming manager in JFH. See how that worked out.

[topperharley]

Here's a question for you. How do Reading select a great up and coming manager from the continent? How do Huddersfield find one of the best up and coming managers in Germany and convince him to move to such a cr*ppy part of the UK? How do Fulham manage to also unearth a great young manager from the continent? In all 3 cases it isn't cos they have a better reputation than us, or a bigger budget.

This is an excellent point.

I still reckon there is an element of luck and timing involved in getting the right people in. It doesn't always work, for every successful 'find' there are more than likely an equal number of failures.

However for 3 teams in this league to do so well, and us seemingly not even able to try and find managers like this, there has to gaps in how we find them.

[norfolk ranger]

Was he really the best candidate available? Perhaps he was the best candidate available if our idea of a search was simply to go through the contacts on Les' phone and pick the best option out of who was there.

Here's a question for you. How do Reading select a great up and coming manager from the continent? How do Huddersfield find one of the best up and coming managers in Germany and convince him to move to such a cr*ppy part of the UK? How do Fulham manage to also unearth a great young manager from the continent? In all 3 cases it isn't cos they have a better reputation than us, or a bigger budget.

The answer to all of the above is that they have done a decent job of their recruitment. They have cast the net wide, done their due diligence and hired some really smart up and coming guys.

By contrast, our searches for staff are typically pitiful. More often than not in the last couple of seasons, our staff have been selected off the back of them being known at Loftus Road and them being available reasonably cheaply. If we are ever to improve as a club, we are going to need a far better strategy when it comes to recruiting staff!

Top post Tarbie.

[Kit]

I wholeheartedly agree that our recruitment process is extremely limited, in all aspects of the club from our youth team (signing tottenham rejects till) to the first team to the back room staff. If Penrice comes in I think the recruitment will change in and around the first team.

Agreed we should have been looking all over the world for a manager but saying that, at the time what the whole club needed was a shot in the arm. That's what Ollie is.

Because he cares so much for the club I'm willing to give him next season as well. I've just got a feeling in my bones. Probably just sentimentality but it's the first time in years I've felt optimistic about QPR and that is down to Ollie.

Ollie had won me over after Rotherham game, even though we didn't play that well but he lost me again on Saturday with that interview. I would love him to prove me wrong again but if he feels the way he spoke after Saturday then he is on a very rocky road because he lost a lot of fans after that interview.

[Kit]

Was he really the best candidate available? Perhaps he was the best candidate available if our idea of a search was simply to go through the contacts on Les' phone and pick the best option out of who was there.

Here's a question for you. How do Reading select a great up and coming manager from the continent? How do Huddersfield find one of the best up and coming managers in Germany and convince him to move to such a cr*ppy part of the UK? How do Fulham manage to also unearth a great young manager from the continent? In all 3 cases it ins't cos they have a better reputation than us, or a bigger budget.

The answer to all of the above is that they have done a decent job of their recruitment. They have cast the net wide, done their due diligence and hired some really smart up and coming guys.

By contrast, our searches for staff are typically pitiful. More often than not in the last couple of seasons, our staff have been selected off the back of them being known at Loftus Road and them being available reasonably cheaply. If we are ever to improve as a club, we are going to need a far better strategy when it comes to recruiting staff!

Tarbie great post and was exactly how i felt at the time we were appointing Olly. The Fulham Manager was of course with Watford previously and got them promoted with style before he was replaced without kicking a ball in the Prem. He now has Fulham playing the sort of football we use to play in the past, as does Stam and as does Wagner. You could argue Reading and Uddersfield both got lucky as both appointments could have gone wrong, like Sousa did for us but they haven't and I am envious of the football all 3 teams are playing. Arguably our best performance was away at Reading and we fully deserved to win but against Fulham and Huddersfield, we were outplayed for long periods, somehow getting a point and a win v Fulham. If these 3 clubs can do it then why can't we find this gem of a manager who plays football the way we want to see it played, rather than interviewing the dregs each time. JFH i was really excited about and thought he could be the one but the football was absolutely dire and the excitement soon eroded away but there must be others out there and we should look again.

[Shepherds Mush]

How do Fulham manage to also unearth a great young manager from the continent?

Not sure they "unearthed" Jokanovic. Am pretty sure they would have seen him get Watford ppromoted 2 years ago.

[Cjskinz]

Was he really the best candidate available? Perhaps he was the best candidate available if our idea of a search was simply to go through the contacts on Les' phone and pick the best option out of who was there.

Here's a question for you. How do Reading select a great up and coming manager from the continent? How do Huddersfield find one of the best up and coming managers in Germany and convince him to move to such a cr*ppy part of the UK? How do Fulham manage to also unearth a great young manager from the continent? In all 3 cases it ins't cos they have a better reputation than us, or a bigger budget.

The answer to all of the above is that they have done a decent job of their recruitment. They have cast the net wide, done their due diligence and hired some really smart up and coming guys.

By contrast, our searches for staff are typically pitiful. More often than not in the last couple of seasons, our staff have been selected off the back of them being known at Loftus Road and them being available reasonably cheaply. If we are ever to improve as a club, we are going to need a far better strategy when it comes to recruiting staff!

I wholeheartedly agree that our recruitment process is extremely limited, in all aspects of the club from our youth team (signing tottenham rejects till) to the first team to the back room staff. If Penrice comes in I think the recruitment will change in and around the first team.

Agreed we should have been looking all over the world for a manager but saying that, at the time what the whole club needed was a shot in the arm. That's what Ollie is.

Because he cares so much for the club I'm willing to give him next season as well. I've just got a feeling in my bones. Probably just sentimentality but it's the first time in years I've felt optimistic about QPR and that is down to Ollie.

[Tarbie]

There was absolutely no way JFH could have remained in charge. Fans wanted him gone 110%. Still think we made the right decision to get rid. Holloway was a strange appointment I agree. Rowett would have been 1st choice and lucky old Rangers got sacked a couple of weeks after we appointed Ollie. I still think Ollie is the best man for the job at the moment and was the best available candidate at the time.

We could have ended up with Zola, count yourselves lucky!

Was he really the best candidate available? Perhaps he was the best candidate available if our idea of a search was simply to go through the contacts on Les' phone and pick the best option out of who was there.

Here's a question for you. How do Reading select a great up and coming manager from the continent? How do Huddersfield find one of the best up and coming managers in Germany and convince him to move to such a cr*ppy part of the UK? How do Fulham manage to also unearth a great young manager from the continent? In all 3 cases it isn't cos they have a better reputation than us, or a bigger budget.

The answer to all of the above is that they have done a decent job of their recruitment. They have cast the net wide, done their due diligence and hired some really smart up and coming guys.

By contrast, our searches for staff are typically pitiful. More often than not in the last couple of seasons, our staff have been selected off the back of them being known at Loftus Road and them being available reasonably cheaply. If we are ever to improve as a club, we are going to need a far better strategy when it comes to recruiting staff!

[Cjskinz]

Agreed, the football was dire. But we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now if he had stayed. The problem wasn't sacking JFH, it was sacking him in favour of appointing this circus act. JFH should have stayed until we had somebody better lined up.

There was absolutely no way JFH could have remained in charge. Fans wanted him gone 110%. Still think we made the right decision to get rid. Holloway was a strange appointment I agree. Rowett would have been 1st choice and lucky old Rangers got sacked a couple of weeks after we appointed Ollie. I still think Ollie is the best man for the job at the moment and was the best available candidate at the time.

We could have ended up with Zola, count yourselves lucky!

[Tarbie]

I wasn't happy paying for what i was seeing, as most people weren't. There's no telling where JFH would have had us in the table but I wasn't happy my club playing dull football. That's not what QPR is.

Agreed, the football was dire. But we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now if he had stayed. The problem wasn't sacking JFH, it was sacking him in favour of appointing this circus act. JFH should have stayed until we had somebody better lined up.

[Cjskinz]

Don't buy that at all. To be honest, I think we'd be mid-table if JFH had stayed. Yeah, the football was dull and there were a few utter w*nkers in the side, but he at least dug out points.

I wasn't happy paying for what i was seeing, as most people weren't. There's no telling where JFH would have had us in the table but I wasn't happy my club playing dull football. That's not what QPR is.