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[Tarbie]

Did average attendace mate.
Im talking size of club and thats usually judged on support and size of ground aint it?

Depends how you look at it.

Fanbase can be grown or reduced depending on where you are currently playing your football and the sort of players you are bringing in. Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City etc haven't always filled 60 or 70k all-seaters.......although I do appreciate they are all bigger clubs than us!

We invested a big chunk of money under Fernandes to push this club forward. Instead we are lying 20 league positions lower and playing worse football. If you see that as a success then I'd argue that you're pretty easily pleased!

[Kevin Mcleod]

We used to fill out Loftus Rd in the Premier too mate.

Plus fanbase isn't everything. Gotta look at invest in the club as well!

Did average attendace mate.
Im talking size of club and thats usually judged on support and size of ground aint it?

[Tarbie]

We used to fill out Loftus Rd in the Premier too mate.

Plus fanbase isn't everything. Gotta look at investment in the club as well!

[Kevin Mcleod]

Burnley, Hull City, Watford?!!

Burnley 20k

Hull City 20k and only just gone up.

Watford 20k

[Tarbie]

I reckon Bournemouth are the only club our size to have done better than us in recent history.
So yeah, we have mucked it up royally but we have had some really good times with 'Fark Off TF'.

Burnley, Hull City, Watford?!!

[Shepherds Mush]

we have had some really good times with 'Fark Off TF'.

Maybe but I could count them all on one hand and not need all the fingers.

[Shepherds Mush]

Look at Bournemouth.

Didn't Bournemouth get fined for FFP recently ? Russian bloke pumped loads of money in to get them promoted?

[Kevin Mcleod]

I reckon Bournemouth are the only club our size to have done better than us in recent history.
So yeah, we have mucked it up royally but we have had some really good times with 'Fark Off TF'.

[Tarbie]

True.

And i often wonder this, if we had a normal chairman like other clubs with a 12k supporter base, would we expect less, is it his money and spending (and writing off) that makes us all expect more and not ever be happy being a division two club anymore, like we always have been?

Plenty of examples of small clubs being run well too. Wigan were a great example for years til Dave Whelan got too old and stepped down.

For me personally, I set high expectations of myself and those around me. I only work with well run companies and set very high expectations of providers that my company works with.

God knows what went wrong when I picked my football team!

[Kevin Mcleod]

Charlton too

True.

And i often wonder this, if we had a normal chairman like other clubs with a 12k supporter base, would we expect less, is it his money and spending (and writing off) that makes us all expect more and not ever be happy being a division two club anymore, like we always have been?

[dogsrrs]

We've lurched from one extreme to the other in recent years as well. We're a reasonable size club with a good reputation - who were in the premier league recently.
I don't like how all of a sudden we are being made to accept by the board that we have to be a club with limited ambitions who can't attract decent players and managers.
TF and co. have sucked all the ambition out of this club in the last couple of years IMO.

I don't like how I feel like I am being told by the board that we should now be pleased to be staying in the championship with so many 'big clubs' in this league - whilst still paying over £500 for my season ticket.

Why am I being made to feel like we're now a club the size of Burton Albion as opposed to the ambition of getting like and being a club the size that Brighton are now.

I don't like how we are basically being told not to have ambition as fans anymore, and to basically accept that we aren't going to bring players like Jordan Rhodes and managers like Karanka to this club, by the same people that ####ed away any money they should of sensibly spent. Why should the ambition change even if the budget does? Look at Bournemouth.

As a fan I just feel like I've been constantly conned by this ownership and board for the past 5 years now.

You say wer'e a reasonably sized club I would say we was ! But with Orient going out of the league we could or will find ourselves as London's smallest club with Brentfords new ground underway and Wimbledon plans for a new stadium at plough lane while we exist on promises

[James1979]

For every club like Rangers theres a club like Coventry, Blackburn, Blackpool, Orient and Portsmouth a hell of a lot worse off.

Charlton too

[Kevin Mcleod]

Just saying we aint that bad off.
Bigger clubs than us like Ipswich would love to of had our last ten years.
Yeah we can strive to be Chelsea (Apple) and Liverpool (Coca Cola) etc, but we have to remember we are QPR (Lidl).

[Tarbie]

For every club like Rangers theres a club like Coventry, Blackburn, Blackpool, Orient and Portsmouth a hell of a lot worse off.

True, but shouldn't we strive for better?

You could look at any business in any industry (aside from the likes of Microsoft, Samsung, Coca Cola etc.) and say "it could be worse". Fact is that it could be better and given the amount of money thrown at our club in recent years, I don't believe there are any excuses for making elementary mistakes.

[Kevin Mcleod]

For every club like Rangers theres a club like Coventry, Blackburn, Blackpool, Orient and Portsmouth a hell of a lot worse off.