Holloway Out

[Kevin Mcleod]

Im only on about since Unc got here.

[Tarbie]

Thats not luck though.
Huge fan base and huge ground capacity.
People queue up to buy them clubs, people run a mile when asked to buy clubs like us.

Chelsea weren't much bigger than us until Ken Bates and Mathew Harding got involved. Man City also dropped all the way down to the 3rd tier of English football 15 or 16 years ago.

If you are going to base your opinion on a clubs size and reputation on the last 10 years, then you are correct. If you are too look over a longer period, things like fan base, ground size and reputation are all changeable dependent on who is calling the shots!

[West London is Rss]

I completely disagree with you about that as well ;) Like I said, if I'd pissed fortunes up the wall but wanted to retain a working interest in the investment I would understand the necessity of earmarking funds for a realistic management team to run the club. That would come first, and I would expect my chief executive to move and heaven and earth to achieve this within fiscal policy. Hoos simply does what the board and Les tell him, which is fair enough but the only wonders he's worked is implementing flawed policy. He cuts according to their cloth. Interestingly his exit from Leicester coincided with the start of ther march to glory. He isn't as big a part of the problem as Les, but he's a number cruncher. Any reasonable accountant could do the job TF requires of Hoos.

Good post that mate, as was the one before this.

Bottom line - QPR is now a circus, shambles, laughing stock, because of this ownership and board.
I really hate to say it but we will continue to go backwards with this board and ownership IMO, especially now they seemed to have stopped putting money in and are cutting cloth for the foreseeable.

I've seen more than enough mistakes from them now to realise we won't be going forwards with them at the helm.

[jmelanie]

People are really starting to over take us with spending now and by next season we wont even be thought of as big spenders anymore i dont reckon. (Only by our own fans)
Thats my only worry with chasing Les out with Ollie, we really dont want to lose Lee Hoos with them, hes worked absolute wonders.

Also any new manager who comes in is going to want to spend money.

[Cjskinz]

Are the club not taking actions to stop making mistakes? Of course there will always be one or two mistakes which happens in any club/business.

Our outgoings were too much - get Lee Hoos in
Managers were allowed to spend whatever they wanted on any old player - get Les Ferdinand in
Life and soul had been sucked out of the club - get Ollie in

That's how I'm looking at it anyway. Fed up of feeling sh*t about the club, may as well support them!

[hal9thou]

hes worked absolute wonders.

I completely disagree with you about that as well ;) Like I said, if I'd pissed fortunes up the wall but wanted to retain a working interest in the investment I would understand the necessity of earmarking funds for a realistic management team to run the club. That would come first, and I would expect my chief executive to move and heaven and earth to achieve this within fiscal policy. Hoos simply does what the board and Les tell him, which is fair enough but the only wonders he's worked is implementing flawed policy. He cuts according to their cloth. Interestingly his exit from Leicester coincided with the start of ther march to glory. He isn't as big a part of the problem as Les, but he's a number cruncher. Any reasonable accountant could do the job TF requires of Hoos.

[Kevin Mcleod]

People are really starting to over take us with spending now and by next season we wont even be thought of as big spenders anymore i dont reckon. (Only by our own fans)
Thats my only worry with chasing Les out with Ollie, we really dont want to lose Lee Hoos with them, hes worked absolute wonders.

[hal9thou]

Why, did you or your kids go without clothes or food spending that 0.25 billion.

Because what really counts is where we've ended up. Every high has been outnumbered by the lows, the humiliations at the hands of our neighbours. I don't want to be a tin pot joke tarts knickers club (up & down), I don't want mates giving me stick because the 0.25 expenditure makes us a total laughing stock, I don't want a team of comedians running the show. I honestly wouldn't pay money to have any of them involved in my business in any way, even if I was running the corner shop. There was a time when we better than Brentford etc. Being consistently better than them and at least as good as the ruperts would help, but we just keep taking it where the sun dont shine every time they bend us over. That has to stop.

You don't earn respect behaving like a lottery winner on a supermarket dash and then ending up signing on.

[James1979]

How do you work that out?

Chris Wright had a bloody good go at ruining us. Flabio and Bernie could have ruined us too if Fernandes hadn't been daft enough to pay their asking price. Fernandes and his cronies could still ruin us if all director loans etc were called in and they stopped bankrolling us to dig us out of the hole they created.

Lucky is not a word I'd use when discussing directors at our club. Lucky would be Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal!

I'm not talking about Chris wright. I was talking about Fernandez. Who would pay these director loans if they called them in? The answer is the shareholders, who also own the loans. We have hardly any external debt. We are very very lucky. Don't get fooled by all this huge debt, losses etc. Only worry if banks or hedge funds etc. Start loaning us the cash.

[Kevin Mcleod]

Expenditure >0.25bn to end up lower down the scale? No one would want that.

People have to get real. Returning old boys very seldom work out (look at our own history), and Ollie is basically unfit for purpose. A bit like the chairman. All we can do is hope that one day some kind of sanity will prevail, but until then......

Why, did you or your kids go without clothes or food spending that 0.25 billion?

Ask any Ipswich (for instance) fan would they give a flying fark if their chairman spent 0.25 billion of his own money but they would have a couple of seasons in the prem including the best match in the divisions history, and a play off final win, they would bite your hand off.

[Kevin Mcleod]

How do you work that out?

Chris Wright had a bloody good go at ruining us. Flabio and Bernie could have ruined us too if Fernandes hadn't been daft enough to pay their asking price. Fernandes and his cronies could still ruin us if all director loans etc were called in and they stopped bankrolling us to dig us out of the hole they created.

Lucky is not a word I'd use when discussing directors at our club. Lucky would be Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal!

Thats not luck though.
Huge fan base and huge ground capacity.
People queue up to buy them clubs, people run a mile when asked to buy clubs like us.

[Tarbie]

Owners can ruin clubs. We've been very lucky.

How do you work that out?

Chris Wright had a bloody good go at ruining us. Flabio and Bernie could have ruined us too if Fernandes hadn't been daft enough to pay their asking price. Fernandes and his cronies could still ruin us if all director loans etc were called in and they stopped bankrolling us to dig us out of the hole they created.

Lucky is not a word I'd use when discussing directors at our club. Lucky would be Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal!

[hal9thou]

Bigger clubs than us like Ipswich would love to of had our last ten years.

Expenditure >0.25bn to end up lower down the scale? No one would want that.

People have to get real. Returning old boys very seldom work out (look at our own history), and Ollie is basically unfit for purpose. A bit like the chairman. All we can do is hope that one day some kind of sanity will prevail, but until then......

[Kevin Mcleod]

@ Tarbie

I don't see it as a success whatsoever but i also dont see it as the end of the world.
We have been a lot worse (with the same manager) and i refuse to use the chairmans money as a gauge as to where i expect this club to be divison wise.
Think a lot of it is down to bad luck, Hughes one of the steadiest managers in the game with stoke.
Harry kneecap has done well with every other club hes managed.
Jfh could of been the black jaap staam and im sure it would of been like that had he gone to Reading and staam joined us.
We are just unlucky and cursed, thats what i accept.

P.s Agree totally James.

[James1979]

Owners can ruin clubs. We've been very lucky.