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  • twranger
    On the posh naughty step
    • Mar 2009
    • 10472

    #106
    Originally posted by brightonr
    I think the easy answer to this situation is as follows.

    If the ref had allowed the goal to stand, I doubt that there would have been too many complaints from anybody involved in football. It would have been seen, quite rightly, as a gaff by Joe Hart which led to a goal. No fuss would have been made at all.

    Plus of course, we all know despite the fact that others may attempt to argue otherwise, that if we had been playing a "lesser" team, that goal would have stood.
    Agree, basically the so called lesser teams are not only playing the so called bigger teams but also the ref. double whammy.

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    • twranger
      On the posh naughty step
      • Mar 2009
      • 10472

      #107
      From the FA website, rule 13.
      "If, when a free kick is taken by the defending team from inside its own penalty area, the ball is not kicked directly out of the penalty area:


      •the kick is retaken"

      the first touch by Hart did not go out of the penalty area. Kick retaken. Correct decision by the lino who saw it who then told Dean.

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      • 3London
        Silver Seat
        • Mar 2009
        • 3765

        #108
        FA rule 99

        when the darling of the premier league is only a "little bit" offside and only handballs it a "little bit" the goal shall stand.

        FA rule 100

        when a player from a smaller team commits their first foul they shall instantly be Carded when a bigger team constantly fouls they shall be ignored for as long as possible

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        • jfish
          Silver Seat
          • Mar 2009
          • 3948

          #109
          Originally posted by 3London
          FA rule 99


          when the darling of the premier league is only a "little bit" offside and only handballs it a "little bit" the goal shall stand.

          FA rule 100

          when a player from a smaller team commits their first foul they shall instantly be Carded when a bigger team constantly fouls they shall be ignored for as long as possible

          Brilliant

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          • QPRDave
            The number 10
            • Mar 2009
            • 32075

            #110
            Originally posted by twranger
            From the FA website, rule 13.
            "If, when a free kick is taken by the defending team from inside its own penalty area, the ball is not kicked directly out of the penalty area:


            •the kick is retaken"

            the first touch by Hart did not go out of the penalty area. Kick retaken. Correct decision by the lino who saw it who then told Dean.
            So why were we told it's for 2 touches?...Joe Hart was "claiming" this and the lino mouthing similar into his mic.

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            • Bluetooth
              Apprentice
              • Aug 2014
              • 161

              #111
              Originally posted by 3London
              FA rule 99

              when the darling of the premier league is only a "little bit" offside and only handballs it a "little bit" the goal shall stand.

              FA rule 100

              when a player from a smaller team commits their first foul they shall instantly be Carded when a bigger team constantly fouls they shall be ignored for as long as possible
              LOL sweet as

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              • dsqpr
                Silver Seat
                • Sep 2012
                • 3433

                #112
                Originally posted by QPRDave
                So why were we told it's for 2 touches?...Joe Hart was "claiming" this and the lino mouthing similar into his mic.
                Bloody hell, 5 pages of complete nonsense!

                The correct rule has been quoted several times above. On a goal kick or a free kick inside the penalty area, the ball is not in play until it has left the area. If it is touched a SECOND time by anybody (on either team) before it has left the area, or if it doesn't have enough steam to get out of the area, the kick is retaken.

                That is the rule, and that has been the rule for at least 50 years! As others have said, the situation with Green was identical to the one with Hart - the ball was touched a second time before it left the area so the kick had to be retaken.

                I hope that doesn't make me a know all but having played as a defender in my day (30 years ago!) I know that rule very well because it saved me on a number of occasions when my keeper tried to take an ill advised short goal kick to me and I was under pressure - in that case I just stepped into the area and played it back to the keeper and it had to be retaken.
                Last edited by dsqpr; 09-11-2014, 08:23 PM.
                'Only a Ranger!' cried Gandalf. 'My dear Frodo, that is just what the Rangers are: the last remnant in the South of the great people, the Men of West London.' - Lord of the Rings, Book II, Chapter I - Many Meetings.

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                • dsqpr
                  Silver Seat
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 3433

                  #113
                  Originally posted by nasser95
                  Only the case if it was a goal kick. but this was a free kick and as i said in another thread, the ball is live as soon as the free kick is taken
                  As I said on the other thread, this is not correct. A free kick to the defending team inside the penalty area is not in play until it has left the penalty area. If it is touched a second time before it has left the penalty area, it must be retaken.
                  'Only a Ranger!' cried Gandalf. 'My dear Frodo, that is just what the Rangers are: the last remnant in the South of the great people, the Men of West London.' - Lord of the Rings, Book II, Chapter I - Many Meetings.

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                  • Westway
                    Silver Seat
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1200

                    #114
                    Next time we're holding onto a slim lead and need to waste time, instead of heading to the corner with the ball, Green should just double touch his goal kicks. you could waste a shitload of time retaking the kick over and over again.

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                    • dsqpr
                      Silver Seat
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 3433

                      #115
                      Originally posted by Westway
                      Next time we're holding onto a slim lead and need to waste time, instead of heading to the corner with the ball, Green should just double touch his goal kicks. you could waste a shitload of time retaking the kick over and over again.
                      If we want Green to get booked and then sent off, that would be an excellent approach!
                      'Only a Ranger!' cried Gandalf. 'My dear Frodo, that is just what the Rangers are: the last remnant in the South of the great people, the Men of West London.' - Lord of the Rings, Book II, Chapter I - Many Meetings.

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                      • QPRDave
                        The number 10
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 32075

                        #116
                        Originally posted by dsqpr
                        Bloody hell, 5 pages of complete nonsense!

                        The correct rule has been quoted several times above. On a goal kick or a free kick inside the penalty area, the ball is not in play until it has left the area. If it is touched a SECOND time by anybody (on either team) before it has left the area, or if it doesn't have enough steam to get out of the area, the kick is retaken.

                        That is the rule, and that has been the rule for at least 50 years! As others have said, the situation with Green was identical to the one with Hart - the ball was touched a second time before it left the area so the kick had to be retaken.

                        I hope that doesn't make me a know all but having played as a defender in my day (30 years ago!) I know that rule very well because it saved me on a number of occasions when my keeper tried to take an ill advised short goal kick to me and I was under pressure - in that case I just stepped into the area and played it back to the keeper and it had to be retaken.
                        But it ain't the same is it....Green never kicked it himself twice, unlike Hart. Green played the ball and the west ham player was inside the box and not 10yrds...Unlike Chaz.
                        As i posted earlier the rules are s**t and City should not have an advantage for a clumsy mistake their player made.
                        Big difference between an opponent intercepting the pass to a player mis-kicking it. As someone posted the law is an ***
                        Last edited by QPRDave; 09-11-2014, 09:00 PM.

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                        • QPRDave
                          The number 10
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 32075

                          #117
                          Anyway ds yeah you're right it is obviously the rule, and we got a point. Plenty of positives again from a Rangers performance..

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                          • DeepcutHoop
                            Gold Seat
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 6965

                            #118
                            Originally posted by QPRDave
                            But it ain't the same is it....Green never kicked it himself twice, unlike Hart. Green played the ball and the west ham player was inside the box and not 10yrds...Unlike Chaz.
                            As i posted earlier the rules are s**t and City should not have an advantage for a clumsy mistake their player made.
                            Big difference between an opponent intercepting the pass to a player mis-kicking it. As someone posted the law is an ***

                            Biggest difference was that Joe Hart messed up accidentally, I'm still not sure what Rob Green was trying to do.

                            Same rule applies in both cases, in so far as the ball was not in play in either case before the second touch.

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                            • vanhoop
                              CCG
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 9642

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Westway
                              Next time we're holding onto a slim lead and need to waste time, instead of heading to the corner with the ball, Green should just double touch his goal kicks. you could waste a shitload of time retaking the kick over and over again.
                              this will be the norm for teams holding on to a narrow lead in the last 5 now. rule has to be changed
                              Ooh northern lads love gravy

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                              • DeepcutHoop
                                Gold Seat
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 6965

                                #120
                                Originally posted by vanhoop
                                this will be the norm for teams holding on to a narrow lead in the last 5 now. rule has to be changed
                                No it won't, time wasting is still a bookable offence.

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