Europe. In or out?

[gaza09]

I am very much IN, through a combination of long term understanding of the subject ( geography A level teaching), belief that conspiracy theories and the utter drivel being served up by Brexit is tosh, the type of person who is leading the out campaign ( noxious, nasty and self seeking. Why on Earth does Gove support the R's, the most repugnant man I have ever encountered, save for Farage oh another Brexiters. I could go on and on..... However
Getting back to the point.
The reason why so many say they are for Brexit is that it is the easy, populist answer for a typical bloke in the pub type chat, because it LOOKS like the right thing to do. You know, bash the pompous big businessmen and bankers, bash the prime minister, let's show those pesky foreigners a bit of British pluck, long live Dads Army etc.. If you dare to express a trust in the vast ranks of learned bigwigs who say out is a disaster ( and they are almost certainly right by the way ) then you risk being ostracised and dare I say bullied in certain friendship groups. Watch this space and see if I'm not right.
Proud to be an R and a Europhile !!!!!

Firstly, what the hell does geography have to do with it? We are seeking to leave the political union of the EU, not leave the continent of Europe.

If you're going to vote in on the basis you don't like the people who want out then maybe you should look at the company you're keeping on the in side (Blair, mandleson, Goldman Sachs, Cameron) hardley the most trustworthy lot.

There is no shame in being a Europhle, but I just hope you understand what that means, mote ever closer union, more harmonisation of member state powers, more bureaucracy, less democracy.

Also over the next few years upto 5 new nations are gonna join, this means more people with the right to live and work here, and also our voice and influence decreases even more as we go from 1/28th of a voice to 1/29th or worst case 1/33rd.

A vote to stay is NOT a vote for the status quo

[gaza09]

Tbf Gove is a ****** (insert expletive)

Michael Gove is a throughly decent man, and probably the most intelligent pollitican this country has to offer. Him being rangers makes him an all round chap in my book

[Hove Ranger]

Have you met him Hove ? or are you in the teaching profession ? I spoke to him in the loft to congratulate him on having the balls to take on the teachers and I found him very amicable nd approachable

Has Hove met Gove?...No. But his record in parliament speaks for itself. Most politicians are amicable and approachable, its part of the remit. You're not going to get a number of people to vote for you or at least agree with you without an element of charisma

[Hove Ranger]

Michael Gove is a throughly decent man, and probably the most intelligent pollitican this country has to offer. Him being rangers makes him an all round chap in my book

most intelligent politician in the country....... I sense exagerration.

[Ginger Ninja]

Michael Gove is a throughly decent man, and probably the most intelligent pollitican this country has to offer. Him being rangers makes him an all round chap in my book

Bowlarks. He's a politician, of course he wants you to think he's a decent bloke. None of them are.

[dogsrrs]

Has Hove met Gove?...No. But his record in parliament speaks for itself. Most politicians are amicable and approachable, its part of the remit. You're not going to get a number of people to vote for you or at least agree with you without an element of charisma

How has he got a bad record he had the guts to take on a very intelligent profession but none the less a very self serving self opinionated full of self importance group that have arrogance to deny there is any such thing as a bad teacher that needs to be removed from the profession , he lost that job because Cameron lost his nerve , IMO the country would be in better hands if he becomes the next PM

[Brian Wilson]

Voting across QPR forums at the moment

WATRB

53 - OUT
29 - IN

Not606

41 - OUT
49 - IN

LFW

47.8% - OUT
46.3% - IN

QPRDOT.ORG

19 - OUT
27 - IN

[Hove Ranger]

How has he got a bad record he had the guts to take on a very intelligent profession but none the less a very self serving self opinionated full of self importance group that have arrogance to deny there is any such thing as a bad teacher that needs to be removed from the profession , he lost that job because Cameron lost his nerve , IMO the country would be in better hands if he becomes the next PM

If he wasnt commandeering the good ship "Brexit" then I reckon the support for him amongst most wouldnt be so vocal. I am not going to get into the failings of Michael Gove, as I said they speak for themselves. In fact he isnt worthy of my vitriol......plus its getting off topic

[lymehoop]

Voting across QPR forums at the moment

WATRB

53 - OUT
29 - IN

Not606

41 - OUT
49 - IN

LFW

47.8% - OUT
46.3% - IN

QPRDOT.ORG

19 - OUT
27 - IN

what does that say about each messageboard. Are we the most working class where the EU has affected us more?

[Shania]

I am very much IN, through a combination of long term understanding of the subject ( geography A level teaching), belief that conspiracy theories and the utter drivel being served up by Brexit is tosh, the type of person who is leading the out campaign ( noxious, nasty and self seeking. Why on Earth does Gove support the R's, the most repugnant man I have ever encountered, save for Farage oh another Brexiters. I could go on and on..... However
Getting back to the point.
The reason why so many say they are for Brexit is that it is the easy, populist answer for a typical bloke in the pub type chat, because it LOOKS like the right thing to do. You know, bash the pompous big businessmen and bankers, bash the prime minister, let's show those pesky foreigners a bit of British pluck, long live Dads Army etc.. If you dare to express a trust in the vast ranks of learned bigwigs who say out is a disaster ( and they are almost certainly right by the way ) then you risk being ostracised and dare I say bullied in certain friendship groups. Watch this space and see if I'm not right.
Proud to be an R and a Europhile !!!!!

This was a brave stance. LOL.

[lymehoop]

This was a brave stance. LOL.

how does Norway fare Shania? do you have a good deal being outside the EU?

[cross it Dave]

Voting across QPR forums at the moment

WATRB

53 - OUT
29 - IN

Not606

41 - OUT
49 - IN

LFW

47.8% - OUT
46.3% - IN

QPRDOT.ORG

19 - OUT
27 - IN

So, 113 out and 105 in, plus 1.5% from LFW in favour of out

[Shania]

how does Norway fare Shania? do you have a good deal being outside the EU?

Some will argue that we are as good as a factual member of the Union through the ad-hoc membership we chose a few years ago. As a result of that, the general tendency is that many are frustrated because we have no impact on regulations we have to implement whether we like it or not.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Bowlarks. He's a politician, of course he wants you to think he's a decent bloke. None of them are.

Exactly.

All pigs at the trough. Lying, greedy, corrupt old boys club.

[vanhoop]

I am very much IN, through a combination of long term understanding of the subject ( geography A level teaching), belief that conspiracy theories and the utter drivel being served up by Brexit is tosh, the type of person who is leading the out campaign ( noxious, nasty and self seeking. Why on Earth does Gove support the R's, the most repugnant man I have ever encountered, save for Farage oh another Brexiters. I could go on and on..... However
Getting back to the point.
The reason why so many say they are for Brexit is that it is the easy, populist answer for a typical bloke in the pub type chat, because it LOOKS like the right thing to do. You know, bash the pompous big businessmen and bankers, bash the prime minister, let's show those pesky foreigners a bit of British pluck, long live Dads Army etc.. If you dare to express a trust in the vast ranks of learned bigwigs who say out is a disaster ( and they are almost certainly right by the way ) then you risk being ostracised and dare I say bullied in certain friendship groups. Watch this space and see if I'm not right.
Proud to be an R and a Europhile !!!!!

Pathetic