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  • SteveQPR1975
    Silver Seat
    • Apr 2011
    • 2762

    #121
    Fer has been dog. Sh. It. Since joining us what a waste of money
    R's

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    • nasser95
      Gold Seat
      • Dec 2012
      • 7216

      #122
      Originally posted by Shepherds Mush
      Ergo he misses a lot of headers he should / could win.

      Comedy gold.
      He does, and yet he still wins more than most despite this, it's a case of fine tuning with him.
      "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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      • nasser95
        Gold Seat
        • Dec 2012
        • 7216

        #123
        Originally posted by bakes8
        I'm not gonna break that down one sentence at a time cos frankly I cant be bothered, nor do I think I or anyone else will change ur opinion of our Leroy!

        What I will say, as a stat is that Fer has played 20odd games thus season for us and has dominated appox 0 of them. That's a massive 0% success rate and far lower than the superb players that you have mentioned in your post (please never compare Fer and Yaya Toure again).
        Ridiculous of you to say I'm comparing them quality wise, I'm comparing them positionally and stylistically. Both are big midfielders who can dribble and shoot. One is better than the other for a few different reasons, which I won't go through because it would be useless to waste my time doing so. But I will continue to compare them because that is what differs those who use stats with what they see to have a complete understanding of the sport. Here's one for you, guess who made more successful dribbles last season than Yaya? Leroy Fer. Here's another one, guess who made more key passes last season than Yaya? Leroy Fer. Guess what makes Yaya the better player, the fact that he makes more passes. That's the key difference. That's what makes Yaya the better player in truth, as well as a few bits of tuning. Ultimately, I cannot tell you what to think, I can merely post up the numbers that I know to be true and that's it.
        "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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        • West Acton
          CCG
          • Dec 2009
          • 21475

          #124
          Originally posted by nasser95
          Ridiculous of you to say I'm comparing them quality wise, I'm comparing them positionally and stylistically. Both are big midfielders who can dribble and shoot. One is better than the other for a few different reasons, which I won't go through because it would be useless to waste my time doing so. But I will continue to compare them because that is what differs those who use stats with what they see to have a complete understanding of the sport. Here's one for you, guess who made more successful dribbles last season than Yaya? Leroy Fer. Here's another one, guess who made more key passes last season than Yaya? Leroy Fer. Guess what makes Yaya the better player, the fact that he makes more passes. That's the key difference. That's what makes Yaya the better player in truth, as well as a few bits of tuning. Ultimately, I cannot tell you what to think, I can merely post up the numbers that I know to be true and that's it.
          Is dribbling up blind ally's eventually losing the ball with next to no final product supposed to impress us now

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          • bakes8
            Silver Seat
            • Jan 2014
            • 4561

            #125
            Originally posted by nasser95
            Ridiculous of you to say I'm comparing them quality wise, I'm comparing them positionally and stylistically. Both are big midfielders who can dribble and shoot. One is better than the other for a few different reasons, which I won't go through because it would be useless to waste my time doing so. But I will continue to compare them because that is what differs those who use stats with what they see to have a complete understanding of the sport. Here's one for you, guess who made more successful dribbles last season than Yaya? Leroy Fer. Here's another one, guess who made more key passes last season than Yaya? Leroy Fer. Guess what makes Yaya the better player, the fact that he makes more passes. That's the key difference. That's what makes Yaya the better player in truth, as well as a few bits of tuning. Ultimately, I cannot tell you what to think, I can merely post up the numbers that I know to be true and that's it.
            So other than a few bits of 'fine tuning' and completing a few more passes, and going by the fact that Fer is only 26 and open to a lot more improvement than Toure who's 32, would you say Fer has the potential to be as good as Toure or even better? Cos u are quite clearly 100% ####ing nuts if you believe that bud.

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            • nasser95
              Gold Seat
              • Dec 2012
              • 7216

              #126
              Originally posted by West Acton
              Is dribbling up blind ally's eventually losing the ball with next to no final product supposed to impress us now
              If he completes a dribble, it means he hasn't lost the ball...
              "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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              • bakes8
                Silver Seat
                • Jan 2014
                • 4561

                #127
                Originally posted by nasser95
                If he completes a dribble, it means he hasn't lost the ball...
                Does sticking his wide ass into an opponents stomach and turning round constitute a 'dribble' cos if so his stats must be through the roof

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                • brightonr
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 10922

                  #128
                  Originally posted by bakes8
                  So other than a few bits of 'fine tuning' and completing a few more passes, and going by the fact that Fer is only 26 and open to a lot more improvement than Toure who's 32, would you say Fer has the potential to be as good as Toure or even better? Cos u are quite clearly 100% ####ing nuts if you believe that bud.
                  If we make some bad mistakes over the next few transfer windows, he's got the potential to be our best midfielder one day.

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                  • 12321
                    Silver Seat
                    • May 2012
                    • 1452

                    #129
                    As the old saying goes, a camel is a horse designed by committee using statistics.

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                    • theblackmafia.
                      Silver Seat
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 3996

                      #130
                      Gotta love a 'stats' debate! Trying to argue/discuss with a statistician is pointless. Stats are the answer to all our woes in life.

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                      • Stanley
                        Guest
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 23693

                        #131
                        Originally posted by 12321
                        As the old saying goes, a camel is a horse designed by committee using statistics.
                        Very good.

                        Lies, damned lies, and statistics comes to mind too.

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                        • upperloft
                          Silver Seat
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 1255

                          #132
                          Nas, give it up.. You are winding us up?
                          C'Mon You Supaaaa!!

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                          • SteveQPR1975
                            Silver Seat
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 2762

                            #133
                            The only stat that really matters is we finish 4th from bottom or higher
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                            • bakes8
                              Silver Seat
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 4561

                              #134
                              Originally posted by SteveQPR1975
                              The only stat that really matters is we finish 4th from bottom or higher
                              You're still on the naughty stool until you lighten up.

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                              • Shania
                                C Club
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 23702

                                #135
                                Problem With Fer is that he is of so much more use for a prem team than he is to us. That´s why we should offload him and a buy a player who is willing to commit himself to us medio/long term.
                                QPR
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