Chery oh baby - might be off ?

[Shania]

Cheers Shania, hopefully it will work out. Based on this forum alone though, I can't imagine too many fans would be happy to see their club adopt numbers more

Dont worry, nasser95; you win some and you lose some. That´s life

[nasser95]

Could also say Richard Dunne. Green was superb that day though.

To be honest whole defence (particularly as you said Dunne) were fantastic but some of the saves Green made especially given the fact that he broke his finger in the game were unreal.

[nasser95]

You've took plenty of stick on this thread nas, plenty from me tbf, but u always stick to your guns and I respect you for that. Keep going and don't let the naysayers get you down

You're still wrong (on this one) though .

Haha well as Shania said, you win some, you lose some. I think we both kinda hope that I'm right on this one but I get that you doubt it. Fingers crossed eh?

[Tarbie]

They actually do tell you what direction they go, how far they go and plenty more and I've had to say that a million times on this forum and no one ever acknowledges it. Stats I use (And please do go check whoscored.com and just click on any match of ours to check the chalkboard) will have distance, direction and accuracy all linked to them. So every stat I use is contextual.

Alongside that, I've also said a million times that I'm a season ticket holder (And I'm as glad to have a season ticket as Steve is to not have one) and I go and watch every game live in the stadium, check the stats when I get back and then watch the game the next day on player. I check everything, every little detail about the games we play (and many other games around europe), I'm on it. I have a very very close knit group of friends who watch everything we can around Europe and the world as we love the sport in general and see a lot of potential in the combinations used at many clubs of Stats and Scouts.

I've been on this forum for a few years and been posting stats here for just over a year, initially to a positive response, before people started finding that the stats held an opinion different to their own and stated that they were wrong, or incomplete or just ignoring them in general. But I've persevered because I believe in the combinations of my numbers and my eyes. Just as other people will persevere with their eyes alone because they believe that they can't miss anything. I can't attack them for that, its what they want to do. I appreciate people who look at the stats and while not taking them at face value, actually combine them with what they saw and use that to make an informed statement (as you have said should be done), as opposed to people who just ignore them because I posted them, or because they go against what they think they saw.

I take the stats thing to a very high level because that's the level of detail I like to know. Its important to me to have the full picture. However, being subjected to stereotypically sit there and not care what's in front of me at the stadium just looking at the numbers alone is something I very much am against and don't do.

As for the Tom Carroll thing, while I understand your position on him (similar to many on here), he is a very different player to what most want him to be, which is an attacking playmaker. What he is, is a ball recycler and when a team plays a very high tempo of football, he is key to the success, just as Allen has been developing at a higher level now for Liverpool under Klopp's high pressing game. Carroll will literally move the ball around, make the move continue as fast as possible and that's it. That's all he needed to do and a lot of the time, doing that could win you a match because he had such a high pass accuracy that the opposition had much much less time on the ball. How are they going to threaten our goal if they can't get the ball.

I was starting to buy into all that until you started bigging up Tom Carroll Nas!

[rodman]

I was starting to buy into all that until you started bigging up Tom Carroll Nas!

Have to say that I too was being won over with your post, right up until the Tom Carroll bit, then it fell apart.


Anyway, a question for Nas and I'm not trying to catch you out or put your stats down in any way but you used this quote in one of your earlier posts


"As for the shooting, Chery has a 32% accuracy from 50 shots, Fer has a 33.3% accuracy from his shots this season. Anything else you'd like me to disprove."


I'm interested to know how many shots Fer gained his 33.3% accuracy from.
You mention Chery 32% from 50 but don't give a number for which Fer achieved his 33.3% from.

As I say, not digging you out but curious to know how many shots Fer has actually managed.

Cheers.

[knocker]

They actually do tell you what direction they go, how far they go and plenty more and I've had to say that a million times on this forum and no one ever acknowledges it. Stats I use (And please do go check whoscored.com and just click on any match of ours to check the chalkboard) will have distance, direction and accuracy all linked to them. So every stat I use is contextual.

Alongside that, I've also said a million times that I'm a season ticket holder (And I'm as glad to have a season ticket as Steve is to not have one) and I go and watch every game live in the stadium, check the stats when I get back and then watch the game the next day on player. I check everything, every little detail about the games we play (and many other games around europe), I'm on it. I have a very very close knit group of friends who watch everything we can around Europe and the world as we love the sport in general and see a lot of potential in the combinations used at many clubs of Stats and Scouts.

I've been on this forum for a few years and been posting stats here for just over a year, initially to a positive response, before people started finding that the stats held an opinion different to their own and stated that they were wrong, or incomplete or just ignoring them in general. But I've persevered because I believe in the combinations of my numbers and my eyes. Just as other people will persevere with their eyes alone because they believe that they can't miss anything. I can't attack them for that, its what they want to do. I appreciate people who look at the stats and while not taking them at face value, actually combine them with what they saw and use that to make an informed statement (as you have said should be done), as opposed to people who just ignore them because I posted them, or because they go against what they think they saw.

I take the stats thing to a very high level because that's the level of detail I like to know. Its important to me to have the full picture. However, being subjected to stereotypically sit there and not care what's in front of me at the stadium just looking at the numbers alone is something I very much am against and don't do.

As for the Tom Carroll thing, while I understand your position on him (similar to many on here), he is a very different player to what most want him to be, which is an attacking playmaker. What he is, is a ball recycler and when a team plays a very high tempo of football, he is key to the success, just as Allen has been developing at a higher level now for Liverpool under Klopp's high pressing game. Carroll will literally move the ball around, make the move continue as fast as possible and that's it. That's all he needed to do and a lot of the time, doing that could win you a match because he had such a high pass accuracy that the opposition had much much less time on the ball. How are they going to threaten our goal if they can't get the ball.

Wake me up when you're finished.

[theblackmafia.]

It's an incomplete dribble by definition.

Um, no. A dribble does not need to end with a pass or shot. A dribble is a dribble and as for dribble I'll leave you to your hobby....an incomplete dribble! I've heard it all now

[nasser95]

Have to say that I too was being won over with your post, right up until the Tom Carroll bit, then it fell apart.


Anyway, a question for Nas and I'm not trying to catch you out or put your stats down in any way but you used this quote in one of your earlier posts


"As for the shooting, Chery has a 32% accuracy from 50 shots, Fer has a 33.3% accuracy from his shots this season. Anything else you'd like me to disprove."


I'm interested to know how many shots Fer gained his 33.3% accuracy from.
You mention Chery 32% from 50 but don't give a number for which Fer achieved his 33.3% from.

As I say, not digging you out but curious to know how many shots Fer has actually managed.

Cheers.

Fer has attempted 27 shots to Chery's 50, don't know why I didn't include that, it kind of supports my point by showing more to me that Chery tends to hit them straight at the keeper most of the time. Quantity of shots, yes, quality, not quite yet. Hope he improves if he stays though.

[Shania]

Have to say that I too was being won over with your post, right up until the Tom Carroll bit, then it fell apart.


Anyway, a question for Nas and I'm not trying to catch you out or put your stats down in any way but you used this quote in one of your earlier posts


"As for the shooting, Chery has a 32% accuracy from 50 shots, Fer has a 33.3% accuracy from his shots this season. Anything else you'd like me to disprove."


I'm interested to know how many shots Fer gained his 33.3% accuracy from.
You mention Chery 32% from 50 but don't give a number for which Fer achieved his 33.3% from.

As I say, not digging you out but curious to know how many shots Fer has actually managed.

Cheers.

Have a look at the goal he scored for Tottenham today That was a piece of sheer quailty

[nasser95]

Um, no. A dribble does not need to end with a pass or shot. A dribble is a dribble and as for dribble I'll leave you to your hobby....an incomplete dribble! I've heard it all now

That sort of made sense at first, and you're right it doesn't need to and I thought in your original post you meant loses the ball by tackle. Here is how whoscored.com define a dribble - Taking on an opponent and successfully making it past them whilst retaining the ball. I assume that if he does lose the ball, it will either go down to a tackled stat or an incomplete dribble stat (dispossessed), both of which are available to me. Lets say he beats a man and then loses the ball by being tackled, that is a known quantity to me and Fer's dribble success is 10 in his 22 attempted dribbles, which whoscored has as a strength of his play, suggesting to me that this quantity is rather good relative to what is expected.

Incidentally, I've just seen that Matty Phillips has attempted the most dribbles this season in the league with 100, succeeding 47 times at beating his man.

[nasser95]

Have a look at the goal he scored for Tottenham today That was a piece of sheer quailty

Quality goal it was indeed.

"That's definitely game over now!" @tom_carroll92 turns home @NChadli's drilled cross and @SpursOfficial lead 4-1. https://t.co/Cw0Qiev7tV

— BT Sport Football (@btsportfootball) January 30, 2016

[Hitman34]

Quality goal it was indeed.

"That's definitely game over now!" @tom_carroll92 turns home @NChadli's drilled cross and @SpursOfficial lead 4-1. https://t.co/Cw0Qiev7tV

— BT Sport Football (@btsportfootball) January 30, 2016

its against colchester ffs.

[West Acton]

Have a look at the goal he scored for Tottenham today That was a piece of sheer quailty

Never done that for us indeed cannot recall him leaving the centre circle that much let alone breaking into the box

I think he's #### but today he did have a good game but as Hits says weigh thst up against the fact it was Colchester

[nasser95]

Never done that for us indeed cannot recall him leaving the centre circle that much let alone breaking into the box

I think he's #### but today he did have a good game but as Hits says weigh thst up against the fact it was Colchester

TBF to him, he's been doing it regularly whenever called upon in the last couple of years in the prem.

[Tarbie]

Quality goal it was indeed.

"That's definitely game over now!" @tom_carroll92 turns home @NChadli's drilled cross and @SpursOfficial lead 4-1. https://t.co/Cw0Qiev7tV

— BT Sport Football (@btsportfootball) January 30, 2016

I've never questioned that he has quality. I said it when he was here, there is a good player in there somewhere. Unfortunately we never saw that good player in the hoops!