Arsenal agree personal terms with Remy

[Shepherds Mush]

Let's hope we find more gems like this

Not sure I want any players who see us as a stepping stone to the PL big boys to be fair

[DeepcutHoop]

If a bidding war happens, that is GOOD for the player, as great personal terms would be part of it! The player would do very well even without a release clause.

We were offering more money than Newcastle, weren't we? Therefore no need for any additional "sweeteners". Or he could have chosen the "less money" option - not likely!

You are right about desperation - we appear to have acted in desperation and got a deal commensurate with that weak position. We could have and should have been stronger as our situation was NOT desperate! As we have seen, relegation, if it happened, was not the end of the world, and had we not acted out of desperation I'm sure we would have got our man anyway, and been probably at least 10M richer from his transfer fee this summer (assuming he does indeed have a release clause around the 10M mark).

Disagree with your first point. The player would be far more likely to profit personally, when a club doesn't have to break the bank on a huge fee. Obviously the player would get good money wherever, but why should they not do all they can to maximise the benefit to themselves?
I'm clearly far more cynical about transfer negotiations than you are

We absolutely were desperate, we got to the January window with barely a fit striker or CB. We tried to get the best available. As gets mentioned every January, it's a terrible time to get bargains, as teams tend to be in weaker bargaining position by virtue of the season being halfway through, and the reality of relegation/missing out on Europe/promotion etc being clear to all concerned.

As I've said before if there was never a clause we've done brilliantly to get Remy in, and should profit handsomely.

If there was a clause, and it has since expired (either by dint of being in the Prem again, or if it was limited to the first year) we've been extremely fortunate that fate meant Remy was untouchable during the window he could have been bought cheaply, or left or whatever the clause was. As a result we should profit handsomely on him.

If there is a clause, and it means we sell him for at or just above the fee we paid for him, then we have taken a calculated risk on a player, (with the loan fee from last year added), and not lost too much if anything while doing it. If there is a clause it also suggests that we would likely not have signed him without it.

Don't really see a downside of any magnitude whatever the truth turns out to be.

[dsqpr]

Disagree with your first point. The player would be far more likely to profit personally, when a club doesn't have to break the bank on a huge fee. Obviously the player would get good money wherever, but why should they not do all they can to maximise the benefit to themselves?
I'm clearly far more cynical about transfer negotiations than you are

We absolutely were desperate, we got to the January window with barely a fit striker or CB. We tried to get the best available. As gets mentioned every January, it's a terrible time to get bargains, as teams tend to be in weaker bargaining position by virtue of the season being halfway through, and the reality of relegation/missing out on Europe/promotion etc being clear to all concerned.

As I've said before if there was never a clause we've done brilliantly to get Remy in, and should profit handsomely.

If there was a clause, and it has since expired (either by dint of being in the Prem again, or if it was limited to the first year) we've been extremely fortunate that fate meant Remy was untouchable during the window he could have been bought cheaply, or left or whatever the clause was. As a result we should profit handsomely on him.

If there is a clause, and it means we sell him for at or just above the fee we paid for him, then we have taken a calculated risk on a player, (with the loan fee from last year added), and not lost too much if anything while doing it. If there is a clause it also suggests that we would likely not have signed him without it.

Don't really see a downside of any magnitude whatever the truth turns out to be.

I don't think we were desperate and that is where we will have to agree to disagree. The worst possible consequence of not getting anybody in was relegation, which was still a possibility even if we did get somebody in (and so it proved). That is not a desperate position. However, if you think it is desperate and negotiate accordingly, you will get much worse deals. That is how Pomey ended up in League Two and fighting for their lives - bringing in players they thought they absolutely NEEDED on whatever terms the players wanted. I'm pretty sure we won't make that mistake although our history up until now is not encouraging!

By the way, the "downside" if Remy has a 10M release clause is 10M (assuming he is worth 20M on the open market) - again, I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you think that is not a downside.

[jmelanie]

I don't think we were desperate and that is where we will have to agree to disagree. The worst possible consequence of not getting anybody in was relegation, which was still a possibility even if we did get somebody in (and so it proved). That is not a desperate position. However, if you think it is desperate and negotiate accordingly, you will get much worse deals. That is how Pomey ended up in League Two and fighting for their lives - bringing in players they thought they absolutely NEEDED on whatever terms the players wanted. I'm pretty sure we won't make that mistake although our history up until now is not encouraging!

By the way, the "downside" if Remy has a 10M release clause is 10M (assuming he is worth 20M on the open market) - again, I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you think that is not a downside.

I agree with you on this and from what I have read it was a relegation release clause. When Remy signed for us, there was a good chance that the clause would come into effect and he would be sold to another Club in the premiership. However this did not happen. I think the main question is, whether or not the relegation release clause is still in effect since we are no longer in the Championship. Since Remy was not transferred in the last window, he cannot be officially transferred until 1 July, when I would think the relegation release clause is no longer in effect. I think this is probably an unusual situation. Had there not been the question of the court case, another Club would almost certainly have come in for him at the beginning of the 2013 season.

Also Remy has several times (in interviews on the tv in France) that he will make no decision until after the World Cup.

[Robsondinho]

Speaking of Remy, I watched the first half of the France v Paraguay game last night and he looked lively. He started and almost scored with a spectacular scissor kick. If he starts in the world cup, and does well (I personally think France will do best out of all the European teams) surely bigger clubs than Arsenal will come in for him.

[Factamondo]

yes robbo n hopefully his value increase...lets get as much as we can and find a good foil for charlie as i think he will need a co striker of premiership quality!

[Robsondinho]

yes robbo n hopefully his value increase...lets get as much as we can and find a good foil for charlie as i think he will need a co striker of premiership quality!

Make you right there mate as no guarantee that Charlie will make the step up. I think he will and hopefully he does but there could be a chance that he flops. So we will definetley need a proven striker at that level. Only problem is they cost a fortune!

[Busheyboy]

Speaking of Remy, I watched the first half of the France v Paraguay game last night and he looked lively. He started and almost scored with a spectacular scissor kick. If he starts in the world cup, and does well (I personally think France will do best out of all the European teams) surely bigger clubs than Arsenal will come in for him.

I agree but that's probably why they want to sign him before the world cup starts

[Burnside]

I think Big Chaz will struggle in the PL, he may only get one chance per game, bit like the play off final. Fingers crossed if we can create enough he should ok.

[Kevin Mcleod]

Make you right there mate as no guarantee that Charlie will make the step up. I think he will and hopefully he does but there could be a chance that he flops. So we will definetley need a proven striker at that level. Only problem is they cost a fortune!

Love charlie but there it is by o means a certainty he is good enough at premiership level. I know its a bit of a wrong thing to say, but charlies chance at wembley, missed, bobbys scored.
It really is down to little things like that, cos you sometimes only get one chance in the big games and have to have the confidence and bottle to make them count.

[Factamondo]

I think Big Chaz will struggle in the PL, he may only get one chance per game, bit like the play off final. Fingers crossed if we can create enough he should ok.

burns the pessimist im me agrees....i hope im wrong but think prem may be a big eye opener for young chas!

[jmelanie]

Newcastle (and most of the fans) are really unhappy with Remy.

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/loic-remy-agrees-deal-arsenal-reported-sky/

[Jeems]

I think Big Chaz will struggle in the PL, he may only get one chance per game, bit like the play off final. Fingers crossed if we can create enough he should ok.

I agree. He's the sort of player who needs service, without it he's chasing shadows

[maidstone_hoop]

Charlie will score goals as long as we get phillips fit, replace hoilett with a decent winger and we bring in a cm who can thread a ball through....so just a bit of yinkering and he'll be fine

But in all seriousness we do need to create a lot more this year.

[MYU]

I think Big Chaz will struggle in the PL, he may only get one chance per game, bit like the play off final. Fingers crossed if we can create enough he should ok.

I believe he has the mentality to make the grade, he may not get off to the best start but will work hard and make it.