Arsenal agree personal terms with Remy

[DeepcutHoop]

Yes he held all the cards, it was desperation from us. It was the same window that saw Samba bought for £12.5m & sold back as soon as we went down for £12m, never seen that before.
It was clear Remy held all the cards, HR described us as a stepping stone for him.
One thing though is the fact we are back in the big time, TF will be a lot harder and have learnt lessons, get rid of Remy and reduce wages and bring in players more like CA, got the right mentality and probably half the wage.
Need to stop being a joke of a galactico type club and start being QPR, I saw signs last Saturday that that might not be far off.

[jmelanie]

If there is a buy out (release) clause does this mean that the player can decide which Club he wants to go to even if another Club offers a higher transfer fee. In other words if Remy wants to go to Arsenal and Arsenal offer 10 million and then another Club offers 12 million, can Remy automatically go to Arsenal or can the Club say he has to go to the club which is offering 12 million?

[West Acton]

If there is a buy out (release) clause does this mean that the player can decide which Club he wants to go to even if another Club offers a higher transfer fee. In other words if Remy wants to go to Arsenal and Arsenal offer 10 million and then another Club offers 12 million, can Remy automatically go to Arsenal or can the Club say he has to go to the club which is offering 12 million?

Yep but in theory no club would offer above the clause as there's no need to

[Shania]

In that case, I should believe Remy has the final say, jmelanie..

[stanistheman]

We should be getting more than 10 million.

I agree, but if he has a 10m release clause then QPR have no option.
if no clause, QPR should be looking to get 15m, because getting a better goalscorer than him for 10m could prove difficult.
Rhodes and McCormack might do well if signed, but are unproven at this level.

[jmelanie]

According to articles published last May/June 2013, Remy had a relegation release clause. So the question is, as QPR are no longer relegated is this clause still valid.

Normally this would not be a question because, if it had not been for the possible court case, he would have been sold last summer. However he wasn't, so I would think (but I am not a lawyer) the clause would no longer be valid.

The rumour is that Remy has agreed personal terms with Remy. Is it possible that these terms were agreed before we were promoted and are therefore no longer valid.

Here are some examples of the papers saying it was a relegation release clause:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-move-loic-remy-qpr-1816290

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2312439/Liverpool-prepare-bid-QPR-striker-Loic-Remy-Premier-League.html

[Shania]

According to articles published last May/June 2013, Remy had a relegation release clause. So the question is, as QPR are no longer relegated is this clause still valid.

Normally this would not be a question because, if it had not been for the possible court case, he would have been sold last summer. However he wasn't, so I would think (but I am not a lawyer) the clause would no longer be valid.

The rumour is that Remy has agreed personal terms with Remy. Is it possible that these terms were agreed before we were promoted and are therefore no longer valid.

Here are some examples of the papers saying it was a relegation release clause:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-move-loic-remy-qpr-1816290

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...er-League.html

I actually think this is the biggest problem for top-earners in the crazy world of football nowadays..

[MYU]

I actually think this is the biggest problem for top-earners in this crazy world of football nowadays..

They do think to highly of themselves don't they Shania.

[Shania]

Exatly, Myu!!

[dsqpr]

How is us offering him high wages a card that we held?

We were desperate for a striker with real quality. Not an easy thing to find at a reasonable price in the January window.

We had something he wanted, namely money. I don't understand why that isn't a bargaining chip. We were also offering the chance to play in the PL, which is another thing he obviously wanted and another bargaining chip.

The relegation release clause makes good sense and I can see why he would have wanted that. But I see no reason for him to insist on a clause that would see us getting shafted on any possible transfer fee in the event that the move worked out and he proved himself in the PL - I'm sure he would have been willing to agree to the move without that as the benefit to him is small - and the alternative for him was NOT going to the PL and NOT getting a big pay rise. I hope our negotiators don't play poker or they would get their clocks cleaned!

[MYU]

Lets hope he has good relations with the club. I mean if he has a contract, wouldn't it be up to him if he wished to change it a little to benefit the club?

[DeepcutHoop]

We had something he wanted, namely money. I don't understand why that isn't a bargaining chip. We were also offering the chance to play in the PL, which is another thing he obviously wanted and another bargaining chip.

The relegation release clause makes good sense and I can see why he would have wanted that. But I see no reason for him to insist on a clause that would see us getting shafted on any possible transfer fee in the event that the move worked out and he proved himself in the PL - I'm sure he would have been willing to agree to the move without that as the benefit to him is small - and the alternative for him was NOT going to the PL and NOT getting a big pay rise. I hope our negotiators don't play poker or they would get their clocks cleaned!

The benefit to a minimal transfer fee is absolutely huge for the player. No chance that potential suitors will be put off by a transfer fee bidding war, and as a result more money to spend on wages and bonuses etc for the player as that is where the teams would be competing.

He had other PL options available, Newcastle were on the verge of signing him, so that doesn't

Our negotiators were desperate to sign him, and his agent knew that. They would have taken everything they could squeeze out of us. We did what it took to get our man, and that was the aim.

Long term wasn't really a consideration in that window. We went all in, and in terms of Prem survival it failed. What the club did do was get cash back on Samba (or however that deal went down), and it looks likely we'll make our outlay on Remy back even if the transfer fee is not what he could potentially be worth. That's no small feat, but has to be taken in context with the players we brought in that were abject failures, or had no resale value, or both.

[dsqpr]

The benefit to a minimal transfer fee is absolutely huge for the player. No chance that potential suitors will be put off by a transfer fee bidding war, and as a result more money to spend on wages and bonuses etc for the player as that is where the teams would be competing.

He had other PL options available, Newcastle were on the verge of signing him, so that doesn't

Our negotiators were desperate to sign him, and his agent knew that. They would have taken everything they could squeeze out of us. We did what it took to get our man, and that was the aim.

Long term wasn't really a consideration in that window. We went all in, and in terms of Prem survival it failed. What the club did do was get cash back on Samba (or however that deal went down), and it looks likely we'll make our outlay on Remy back even if the transfer fee is not what he could potentially be worth. That's no small feat, but has to be taken in context with the players we brought in that were abject failures, or had no resale value, or both.

If a bidding war happens, that is GOOD for the player, as great personal terms would be part of it! The player would do very well even without a release clause.

We were offering more money than Newcastle, weren't we? Therefore no need for any additional "sweeteners". Or he could have chosen the "less money" option - not likely!

You are right about desperation - we appear to have acted in desperation and got a deal commensurate with that weak position. We could have and should have been stronger as our situation was NOT desperate! As we have seen, relegation, if it happened, was not the end of the world, and had we not acted out of desperation I'm sure we would have got our man anyway, and been probably at least 10M richer from his transfer fee this summer (assuming he does indeed have a release clause around the 10M mark).

[Shepherds Mush]

Hope he enjoys finishing 4th in the league and getting knocked out of Europe around the first knockout stage.

Only thing that annoys me is listening to the Arsenal fans I know that belittled Remy when I told them how good he was 2 seasons ago who will no doubt bang on about "the new Henry" should he play for them.

Poxy City feeder club

[MYU]

Let's hope we find more gems like this, but next time give them a contract that suits the club. It's an area which needs working on.