Cifuentis

[SheepRanger]

Very good David and nice to see you add some humour for a change. I do think many on here have lost the plot regarding Marti leaving this football club and oddly seeing the benefits that brings. Much more negatives for me and I just read an article by Paul Parker and he is very much on my page. I think we're losing a manager because he has asked the owners to support his ambitions and why is it such a problem to have an ambitious manager. For me Norrey seems to have gone completely away from the spot light. We finally have a manager that wants to build something but for me this little runt of a CEO wants to put a block on it. Why can't we see that? I'd rather the kid moves on and we keep the manager and let him do his job without clearly too much interference.

How can we match "his ambitions" if we lost £12m in the last set of accounts? The owners are probably putting as much in as PSR allows. Marti knew he was coming to a small club, with rich owners who are capped by how much they can put in. If Marti wants a more established and bigger squad, he knows he has to move to a bigger club. I'm not sure what CN can do other than spend what little we have in a better way. Marti came to us knowing these things and recently signed a new contract knowing these things again. It seems to me he's looking for a problem to justify his own self-interest.

[Qpstranger]

How can we match "his ambitions" if we lost £12m in the last set of accounts? The owners are probably putting as much in as PSR allows. Marti knew he was coming to a small club, with rich owners who are capped by how much they can put in. If Marti wants a more established and bigger squad, he knows he has to move to a bigger club. I'm not sure what CN can do other than spend what little we have in a better way. Marti came to us knowing these things and recently signed a new contract knowing these things again. It seems to me he's looking for a problem to justify his own self-interest.

I'm starting to think that Marti is going to get a decent pay out for a situation of his own making. It feels to me like the club has actually been pretty consistent and done little wrong. A sad way for his time with us to come to an end, there were some genuine moments of real promise.

[SheepRanger]

I'm starting to think that Marti is going to get a decent pay out for a situation of his own making. It feels to me like the club has actually been pretty consistent and done little wrong. A sad way for his time with us to come to an end, there were some genuine moments of real promise.

All this nonsense about the medical guy living in Dubai is doing my head in too. A relative of mine recently had a full CT scan and bloods and due to NHS shortages the data was sent to Australia for analysis and diagnosis. The guy in Dubai is extremely experienced who cam oversee the rehabs without the need to put his hands on skin! We have a team of medical guys onsite to do the physio.

CN's worst signings were Celar and Madsen. The former was unsettled in the UK when his wife fell pregnant and wanted to go home and he then picked up a huge injury. Madsen was a strange one but has a few goals and assists lately and may come good next season if he's given a free role like Taarabt was. I'm on the fence as to whether all the injuries as severe as they appear, and if they are merely niggles by unmotivated players who can see the manager is looking elsewhere? We also have cheaper players who may not be as physically robust as more expensive players?

Marti is playing us for fools and I hope he's career goes the way if the other snake who tried to pull our chain!

[WeAreQPR12]

Well I certainly wouldn't compare adrian with Marti it's a very different situation

[Abseits]

I didn't know only one person was allowed in that pitch side managerial zone during play. Was quite funny watching Betsy and Calm playing "after you Cecil" before cedeing territory. Overall it looked like Betsy had first dibs though. Plus he was clutching quite quite a thick notebook whereas Calm liked the iPad thing on a stand in dugout. Overall the show went on very nicely without Marti, as it should too. Managers come and go but the games never stop.... We move forwards to next season.

[WeAreQPR12]

Marti please resolve your fall out with Norrey. Majority of the fan base would welcome you back with open arms and those that wouldn't let me run through some names, Rooney can't believe name is on the list enough said, Cleverley better footballer than he is manager, gave Watford a team that normally challenges nothing to go on and we outplayed then with real football home and away, Wellins who again Blackpool and Leyton Orient on his CV surely we can do better, Pierre Sage and Onion has achieved nothing and lost in the cup to a vauxhall motors team so Citroen athletic no thank you, tbh I'd take Gary O'Neil from that list but I think he's looking for a better team considering his reasonable success at premier league level where he left 2 clubs in a very healthy state. Too many on here need a reality check and should appreciate Cifentes yes he's ambitious and wanted to join a bigger club but hopefully that's fallen through and we accept it and move on. He is a big part of this clubs future and I fear for us if we have to pick from that poo pool!

[SheepRanger]

Marti please resolve your fall out with Norrey. Majority of the fan base would welcome you back with open arms and those that wouldn't let me run through some names, Rooney can't believe name is on the list enough said, Cleverley better footballer than he is manager, gave Watford a team that normally challenges nothing to go on and we outplayed then with real football home and away, Wellins who again Blackpool and Leyton Orient on his CV surely we can do better, Pierre Sage and Onion has achieved nothing and lost in the cup to a vauxhall motors team so Citroen athletic no thank you, tbh I'd take Gary O'Neil from that list but I think he's looking for a better team considering his reasonable success at premier league level where he left 2 clubs in a very healthy state. Too many on here need a reality check and should appreciate Cifentes yes he's ambitious and wanted to join a bigger club but hopefully that's fallen through and we accept it and move on. He is a big part of this clubs future and I fear for us if we have to pick from that poo pool!

Bring back Beale.......you loved him too and thought he'd go on to manage England.

Marti will never have the trust of the players after his actions. They put the work in and he'll bail at the first opportunity and leave them high and dry.

Snake 1 & Snake 2 can go do one. They think they're better than us, so let them find out. I wouldnt take a GF back after shes done the dirty on me and the same principle applies. Trust is everything.

[WeAreQPR12]

I don't know why you compare adrian mole with Marti. He is allowed to speak to interested parties. If a competitor in your work industry came in and offered you more money I think we would see your true side too. Mole said he wanted to stay after wolves which was complete bulls hit so completely different circumstances. I did rave about him but your England comment is very far fetched which needs to be explained because some might take your sarcasm as serious. I said he would end up as a top 6 premier league manager which I hold my hands up and say I got it wrong but when you post 20,000 times I think 2 bad posts isn't a bad effort.

[SheepRanger]

I don't know why you compare adrian mole with Marti. He is allowed to speak to interested parties. If a competitor in your work industry came in and offered you more money I think we would see your true side too. Mole said he wanted to stay after wolves which was complete bulls hit so completely different circumstances. I did rave about him but your England comment is very far fetched which needs to be explained because some might take your sarcasm as serious. I said he would end up as a top 6 premier league manager which I hold my hands up and say I got it wrong but when you post 20,000 times I think 2 bad posts isn't a bad effort.

Ah yes......I remember top six premiership not England. I do remember you had high aspirations for him, but not as high as I remembered. Apologies.

You are correct, I was approached many times for higher paid work. But when Ive enjoyed working where I was, and was still learning, I rejected those approaches. If it ain't broke dont try and fix it. But on the many occasions when I've outgrown the company and was fed up with the BS and there's no challenge, I have definately talked with other companies. But, until I get that move I was demotivated by the whole stench of these companies and went through the motions until I moved on. And from my experience, once you're prepared to talk to someone else, you're done.

The Beale situation was no different to Marti. My old memory bank (getting lag these days!!) I recall the rumours that Beale had talked to Wolves, it was all agreed, then they made the official approach and he turned them down because Rangers started to sniff around. Wolves were extremely pissed off with Beale because they ended up with public egg on their face!!! So, the similarity is that both Beale & Marti talked behind our back. Once you do that you're toast if your employer finds out.......again I have experience of this. One minute you're then blue eyed boy, show you're not committed and you're persona non grata!! There is no comeback for Marti at the Rs and its just when/how and under what package he leaves.

That's my honest opinion from 40yrs of working for 14 different financial services companies.

So, as the similarities between Beale and Marti are the same, and you'd give the benefit of the doubt to Marti, would you do the same to Beale? He's had two manager jobs and one coaching job since leaving us and has more experience and is wiser. Would you take Beale back? If the answer is "no" then you cannot condone keeping Marti.

[cross it Dave]

Ah yes......I remember top six premiership not England. I do remember you had high aspirations for him, but not as high as I remembered. Apologies.

You are correct, I was approached many times for higher paid work. But when Ive enjoyed working where I was, and was still learning, I rejected those approaches. If it ain't broke dont try and fix it. But on the many occasions when I've outgrown the company and was fed up with the BS and there's no challenge, I have definately talked with other companies. But, until I get that move I was demotivated by the whole stench of these companies and went through the motions until I moved on. And from my experience, once you're prepared to talk to someone else, you're done.

The Beale situation was no different to Marti. My old memory bank (getting lag these days!!) I recall the rumours that Beale had talked to Wolves, it was all agreed, then they made the official approach and he turned them down because Rangers started to sniff around. Wolves were extremely pissed off with Beale because they ended up with public egg on their face!!! So, the similarity is that both Beale & Marti talked behind our back. Once you do that you're toast if your employer finds out.......again I have experience of this. One minute you're then blue eyed boy, show you're not committed and you're persona non grata!! There is no comeback for Marti at the Rs and its just when/how and under what package he leaves.

That's my honest opinion from 40yrs of working for 14 different financial services companies.

So, as the similarities between Beale and Marti are the same, and you'd give the benefit of the doubt to Marti, would you do the same to Beale? He's had two manager jobs and one coaching job since leaving us and has more experience and is wiser. Would you take Beale back? If the answer is "no" then you cannot condone keeping Marti.

Sheep mate, you are wasting you breath with him, don’t bother, he supports Tottenham anyway.

[SheepRanger]

Sheep mate, you are wasting you breath with him, don’t bother, he supports Tottenham anyway.

Well I'm starting to wonder!

His love of Beale & Marti after doing what they've done is unbelievable. His love for Willock, Armstrong and Dickie whilst beclaiming his knowledge of football from playing semi-pro is shocking. I've come to the conclusion he's either deluded or a troll, and I'm edging towards the latter.

What makes you think he's Spurs? You've mentioned this before.

[cross it Dave]

I have been a member of this board for 16 years, back in the day, he was always having arguments with good posters, and his support of our North London chums was mentioned frequently.

I try to ignore him, but once in a while I do love to wind him up.

[LordLoftus]

I don't blame either of them looking for more money or better chances. I do believe Beale wouldn't have left for many jobs, but Rangers was close to his heart of some reason.

It's no different to Dunne leave end of season to go get money somewhere else instead. He played and worked hard while here and I won't think less of him for leaving for a bigger payday.

Difference is I don't think Marti worked hard for QPR the entire time. Towards the end of season when his head was turned results went against us. Same thing happened with Beale.

If either came back and said I'm going to devote everything to the club for a season and see where I can take us. Id be ok with that.

[SheepRanger]

I don't blame either of them looking for more money or better chances. I do believe Beale wouldn't have left for many jobs, but Rangers was close to his heart of some reason.

It's no different to Dunne leave end of season to go get money somewhere else instead. He played and worked hard while here and I won't think less of him for leaving for a bigger payday.

Difference is I don't think Marti worked hard for QPR the entire time. Towards the end of season when his head was turned results went against us. Same thing happened with Beale.

If either came back and said I'm going to devote everything to the club for a season and see where I can take us. Id be ok with that.

I would accept a grovelling apology from Beale, because it happens and we all make mistakes and he's wiser for it. Time has passed there. But it's a "no" from me on Marti because it's the same group of players.

[Stanfan]

We don’t know the issues for sure. I feel Norrie has done an incredible job recovering from the nutty spending in the warburton era that didn’t get us up and left us in a mess. I feel the owners have got things sorted and established a clear direction. I think coaches for qpr need to be developed internally as we are for players. The best coaches are usually in jobs and would cost us compensation and I’d rather spend it on players. Just listened to gallen on wls say this squad is worse than the one that got relegated to div 1. The football we watch is miles better with no overweight strikers waddling about. Players are trying hard every game to me.