The Rooney Rule

[Awin]

Rather like the NBA, which is institutionally racist against people under 6 feet tall. Since there is a clear correlation between race and height there is an undeniable statistical argument that favouring taller players is racist.

Surely even you see that your argument is codswallop

The Dutch are the tallest nation in the world on average and you don't see many in the NBA!

[dsqpr]

I think the point of the rooney rule is that it doesn't force clubs to hire black managers but it forces them to interview one. The issue is that this sport has established and inherent stereotyping that limits opportunities for people of colour to get a job in the sport. This is a 100% absolute fact and having a rooney rule will allow for more open entry into the sport and ensure that everyone who is qualified gets a chance to at least interview at the club.

Rather like the NBA, which is institutionally racist against people under 6 feet tall. Since there is a clear correlation between race and height there is an undeniable statistical argument that favouring taller players is racist.

[dsqpr]

Ok, so as you're now broadening it out, for argument's sake let us assume an organisation is institutionally racist (any organisation, not just a footballing body). How would you then tackle that problem (which is what Rooney's Rule is attempting to achieve)?

With education.

Perhaps being a racist oneself is a viable strategy for combating racism but I wouldn't know because I've never tried it myself.

[AlamoR]

^^^^^^ Those numbers are bad. Not saying it is but hard to argue race isn't an issue. Where do you draw the line? No female coaches for example. Why so few Irish or welsh managers? Football is a business and though the numbers look bad, there's too much money at stake not hire the best man for the job.

[bakes8]

Of the 230 clubs that make up the seven tiers of English football below the top flight, only 14 have black managers (6.09%).

And in the premier league it's 0%

If only it was 5% this season.

[Awin]

Of the 230 clubs that make up the seven tiers of English football below the top flight, only 14 have black managers (6.09%).

And in the premier league it's 0%

[easthertsr]

I live in the states and struggle withy the rule. All it does is get a minority coach to an interview. The owners have a shortlist and usually know who they want but a black coach still gets interviewed when he has no real chance. It is just a show. It's not because he's a minority it is because the team has someone better in mind. NFL is all about winning and if a black coach wins he'll get hired, if not he won't. The NFL has about 3-5 black HCs that I can think of right now but many more in AC positions.

I'm assuming the same applies in UK, best man gets the job but cant say. In the NFL about 15% of HCs are black. What is the percentage in England?

In England last season it was 6.5%!

[QPRDave]

Gobbledegook....

[Awin]

From soccernomics:

You would think that, given this discrimination, unprejudiced football clubs could clean up by hiring the best black (or female) managers at low salaries. A small club like Tranmere Rovers, say, could probably take its pick of the world’s black managers. It could get the best female manager in history. Yet it probably won’t. That’s because the market in football managers is so different from the market in players. Markets tend to work when they are transparent –when you can see who is doing what and place a value on it. That is pre-eminently true of footballers, who do their work in public. When you can’t see what people do, it’s very hard to assign a value to their work. Efficient markets punish discrimination in plain view of everyone, and so discrimination tends to get rooted out. Inefficient markets can maintain discrimination almost indefinitely.

[upperloft]

All this 'Rooney rule' is shite... If a manager is good enough then he will get the job. If he could make the team/club better then why would you not want him. Just more excuses.

I remember when I was a kid early 90's and I used to play football, there wasn't any black mangers for the amateur youth teams.. Pretty sure there wasn't an interview process for them jobs, it was whoever had a few hours spare in the week a And on a Sunday. That was before all the coaching badges lark you need today.

Will be interesting to see the percentage in qualifies coaches between Black/White... Nowadays there are more black coaches in youth football.

[QPRDave]

It's DISCRIMINATION......or as this word gets chucked about in this country often....Racist

[AlamoR]

I live in the states and struggle withy the rule. All it does is get a minority coach to an interview. The owners have a shortlist and usually know who they want but a black coach still gets interviewed when he has no real chance. It is just a show. It's not because he's a minority it is because the team has someone better in mind. NFL is all about winning and if a black coach wins he'll get hired, if not he won't. The NFL has about 3-5 black HCs that I can think of right now but many more in AC positions.

I'm assuming the same applies in UK, best man gets the job but cant say. In the NFL about 15% of HCs are black. What is the percentage in England?

[SM3 Ranger]

Lets be honest 30 odd years ago not many black players at the top level.... fast forward to now, bundles of them playing.
This growth in black players at the top level in turn will eventually filter into the management/coaching positions as more black players retire and get the experience and qualifications required.
Coaches selected for their quality not for quotas imho.

[californiahoop]

I dont even understand why Wayne got himself involved with all this black v white rubbish. If you go for a job and you are capable you will get the job.


#CanItBeTheColourOfMySkin

Loool

I haven't read all this thread as I suspect it will replicate all that has already been said, like race relations in all walks of life, things evolve with a little help, but the Rooney rule is a step to far, I would like to think things have evolved since Ricky Hill's day.

In time I believe all will be based on ability not the colour of a persons skin.

As for Ricky Hill, the first game ever played on the plastic pitch at LR was probably the best I ever saw, QPR vs Looton, great game!

I think the "problem" is that the majority of managers around now are white. The majority of clubs will always look to appoint a manger with previous experience.

Yes you will get the odd Gary Monk who walk in to a top end job, but the fact is, almost every other prem/championship side will have a manager who has been a manager elsewhere and thus has experience (us excluded obviously!)

Generally its the lower leagues where people get their fist jobs. It is then up to them to prove themselves and either get promoted up the leagues, ala Eddie Howe or impress that a bigger club wants you - Gus Poyet I don't think it will be too long until a championship side take J F Hasselbaink.

Fact is, it is a problem that has stemmed from 15-20 years ago and will take time to correct itself. Cant see it being an issue of race in today's world, more the fact that their just simply isn't that many black managers out there with decent enough experience, to warrant getting a big job.

People wanting Ramsey sacked because he is a "youth coach" ??