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  • nasser95
    Gold Seat
    • Dec 2012
    • 7216

    #16
    Originally posted by dsqpr
    I hope he has not said that because it would be really stupid to limit ourselves in this way. Each player should be evaluated on his own merits. Very simply, we need to do two things:
    1. Establish a wage structure that all new signings will be placed under. Right off the bat, this will eliminate most of the costly mistakes we have made.
    2. Look for players who will want to play for the hoops. This totally excludes all players who have played for top clubs, as they will see us as a step down and will not be motivated.

    Restricting ourselves from signing PL players who may be looking for a move just because they have at least two years left on their current contracts would be incredibly stupid.
    I think the point of what he said was that these sorts of players tend to be more available and more importantly, available at a lower cost. I'm sure - to a near 100% accuracy - that if a player who clearly could benefit us at a suitable long term cost became available, regardless of the league or contract situation, the club would target them. The key is the finances, players with 1 year left will undoubtedly go for less than those with more. If someone became available at a low cost despite having a longer contract, the club would go for them.
    "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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    • RangerMick
      Apprentice
      • Apr 2011
      • 68

      #17
      Originally posted by dsqpr
      I hope he has not said that because it would be really stupid to limit ourselves in this way. Each player should be evaluated on his own merits. Very simply, we need to do two things:
      1. Establish a wage structure that all new signings will be placed under. Right off the bat, this will eliminate most of the costly mistakes we have made.
      2. Look for players who will want to play for the hoops. This totally excludes all players who have played for top clubs, as they will see us as a step down and will not be motivated.

      Restricting ourselves from signing PL players who may be looking for a move just because they have at least two years left on their current contracts would be incredibly stupid.
      Now that makes a lot more sense, well thought out. Look at each move on its merits and try to avoid the mistakes of the past. The big question here, as with everything going forward, is have the board learnt from their past mistakes. If they have, I still see TF as the man to take us forward.

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      • nasser95
        Gold Seat
        • Dec 2012
        • 7216

        #18
        Originally posted by RangerMick
        Now that makes a lot more sense, well thought out. Look at each move on its merits and try to avoid the mistakes of the past. The big question here, as with everything going forward, is have the board learnt from their past mistakes. If they have, I still see TF as the man to take us forward.
        Thats more like it mate

        I agree that each transfer should have its own merit but I think having too broad a reach will lead to longer periods without signings and we can't risk that. So highlighting the elements that make a player cheap and of good quality will close our search and allow us to get more done early, something we need to do.
        "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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        • RangerMick
          Apprentice
          • Apr 2011
          • 68

          #19
          Originally posted by nasser95
          Thats more like it mate

          I agree that each transfer should have its own merit but I think having too broad a reach will lead to longer periods without signings and we can't risk that. So highlighting the elements that make a player cheap and of good quality will close our search and allow us to get more done early, something we need to do.
          Hey I like to think we all have the teams interest at heart. I think everyone is just so depressed right now, thinking how on earth did it come to this. As I said, and I would think most might settle for, is a period of stability with signs that we are moving forward on a sound footing and that we might just be able to eventually get back to the Premier League and consolidate our position there. It's most probably going to take time tho'. Trying to stay positive, honestly lol !

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          • nasser95
            Gold Seat
            • Dec 2012
            • 7216

            #20
            Originally posted by RangerMick
            Hey I like to think we all have the teams interest at heart. I think everyone is just so depressed right now, thinking how on earth did it come to this. As I said, and I would think most might settle for, is a period of stability with signs that we are moving forward on a sound footing and that we might just be able to eventually get back to the Premier League and consolidate our position there. It's most probably going to take time tho'. Trying to stay positive, honestly lol !
            Thats fair enough mate. Obviously, I always try and ignore the disappointment otherwise I think I would actually have a nervous breakdown. But I always know where people come from when they are angry. I think now, just ensuring the team can challenge as normal is key. Going back up is a bonus but only if the team can handle it.
            "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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            • Hove Ranger
              Silver Seat
              • Aug 2011
              • 4441

              #21
              Originally posted by nasser95
              Seeing as we are now officially relegated and we now should start looking at transfer targets, I recall Tony stating the focus will be on lower league (Champ and below) expired contracts and 1 year until expiry. With this in mind, would people like to have a list of all the players under a certain age that fall into this category so that we can discuss potential signings?
              So what players fit this criteria Nas? would be interested to see mate

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              • maidstone_hoop
                Gold Seat
                • May 2009
                • 6718

                #22
                Afobe, Dicko, king, Pritchard, Gray, gayle, Lansbury, Antonio, Friend to name a few!

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                • Hove Ranger
                  Silver Seat
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 4441

                  #23
                  Originally posted by maidstone_hoop
                  Afobe, Dicko, king, Pritchard, Gray, gayle, Lansbury, Antonio, Friend to name a few!
                  Do they all have 1 year left or less on their contracts?

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                  • maidstone_hoop
                    Gold Seat
                    • May 2009
                    • 6718

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Hove Ranger
                    Do they all have 1 year left or less on their contracts?
                    Haha nI didn't read the messages just the title and listed some of the potential types of players I think we should be looking at. Haven't got a clue about their contracts.

                    Fact is we will need to spend some dolla especially when it comes to strikers. Sell charlie and release Zamora and we have cox.mifmwe don't bring at least two capable champ strikers then relegation could be a real possibility. But get up top and the wings sorted I think we can really push on.

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                    • nasser95
                      Gold Seat
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 7216

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Hove Ranger
                      So what players fit this criteria Nas? would be interested to see mate
                      Right, well I'm thinking people we want would be under 27 (not including) right? If so, I will come up with a list from each league of currently expiring and 1 year expiring. If there are other leagues people want me to list from, I will do that.
                      "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                      • nasser95
                        Gold Seat
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 7216

                        #26
                        Here is the Prem List for expiry on 30.06.2015 for players 26 or younger:

                        Freddie Woodman, GK, 18, Newcastle
                        Jerome Sinclair, ST, 18, Liverpool
                        Adam Armstrong, ST, 18, Newcastle
                        James Wilson, ST, 19, Man Utd
                        Luke Garbutt, LB, 21, Everton
                        Damian Martinez, GK, 22, Arsenal
                        Danny Ings, ST, 22, Burnley
                        Jon Flanagan, RB, 22 Liverpool
                        Sammy Ameobi, LW, 23, Newcastle
                        Joe Dudgeon, LB, 24, Hull City
                        Enda Stevens, LB, 24, Aston Villa
                        David Cornell, GK, 24, Swansea
                        Yannick Sagbo, ST, 26, Hull City
                        Chris Herd, DM, 26, Aston Villa
                        "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                        • nasser95
                          Gold Seat
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 7216

                          #27
                          Here is the Prem List for expiry on 30.06.2016 for players 26 or younger:

                          Isaiah Brown, LW, 18, Chelsea
                          Andreas Christensen, CB, 19, Chelsea
                          Rolando Aarons, LW, 19, Newcastle
                          Nick Powell, CF, 21, Man Utd
                          Gary Gardner, CM, 22, Aston Villa
                          Mehdi Abeid, CM, 22, Newcastle
                          Chris Kettings, GK, 22, Crystal Palace
                          Andreas Weimann, RW, 23, Aston Villa
                          Chris Wood, ST, 23, Leicester City
                          Phil Jones, CB, 23, Man Utd
                          Leandro Bacuna, RM, 23, Aston Villa
                          Robbie Brady, LW, 23, Hull City
                          Jason Davidson, LB, 23, West Brom
                          Paulo Gazzaniga, GK, 23, Southampton
                          Rafael, RB, 24, Man Utd
                          Nathan Baker, CB, 24, Aston Villa
                          Nathaniel Clyne, RB, 24, Southampton
                          Dedryck Boyata, CB, 24, Man City
                          Jay Rodriguez, LW, 25, Southampton
                          David Meyler, CM, 25, Hull City
                          Joe Bennett, LB, 25, Aston Villa
                          Ciaran Clark, CB, 25, Aston Villa
                          Bryan Oviedo, LB, 25, Everton
                          Theo Walcott, RW, 26, Arsenal
                          Sone Aluko, CF, 26, Hull City
                          Gabriel Obertan, RW, 26, Newcastle
                          Neil Taylor, LB, 26, Swansea
                          James Chester, CB, 26, Hull City
                          Steven N'Zonzi, DM, 26, Stoke City
                          "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                          • upperloft
                            Silver Seat
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 1255

                            #28
                            So we're looking at players already? Think we should wait until we have a permanent manager, then see if we have a fine/embargo we need to sort out, then the players that we are going to shift/keep, then who is good enough from youth... A lot to think about and old Nassar wants the chequebook out?? All these youngsters that are out of contract will still cost a few quid.
                            C'Mon You Supaaaa!!

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                            • nasser95
                              Gold Seat
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 7216

                              #29
                              Here is the Champ List for expiry 30.06.2015 for players 26 or younger:

                              Demarai Gray, LW, 18, Birmingham City
                              Christopher Long, ST, 20, Brentford
                              Elliott Hewitt, RB, 20, Ipswich Town
                              Lee Evans, CM, 20, Wolves
                              Jake Cooper, CB, 20, Reading
                              Will Packwood, CB, 21, Birmingham City
                              Luke Williams, ST, 21, Middlesbrough
                              Jake Forster-Caskey, CM, 21, Brighton
                              Ryan Edwards, CM, 21, Reading
                              Joe Ralls, LM, 21, Cardiff
                              Dimitar Evtimov, GK, 21, Nottingham Forest
                              Callum Reilly, CM, 21, Birmingham City
                              Lee Nichols, GK, 22, Wigan
                              Rhys McCabe, CM, 22, Sheffield Wednesday
                              Harry Bunn, ST, 22, Huddersfield
                              Olly Lee, CM, 23, Birmingham City
                              Joshua King, LW, 23, Blackburn Rovers
                              Aidy White, LB, 23, Leeds Utd
                              Lewis Dunk, CB, 23, Brighton
                              Jake Carroll, LM, 23, Huddersfield
                              Gavin Gunning, CB, 24, Birmingham City
                              Joe Mattock, LB, 24, Sheffield Wednesday
                              Sean Scannell, LW, 24, Huddersfield
                              Nathan Delfouneso, ST, 24, Blackpool
                              Vujadin Savic, CB, 24, Watford
                              Oscar Gobern, CM, 24, Huddersfield
                              Nile Ranger, ST, 24, Blackpool
                              Magaye Gueye, LW, 24, Millwall
                              Ben Pringle, AM, 25, Rotherham
                              Mark Beevers, CB, 25, Millwall
                              Neil Ethridge, GK, 25, Charlton
                              Edgar Cani, ST, 25, Leeds
                              Josh McQuoid, ST, 25, Bournemouth
                              Ben Amos, GK, 25, Bolton
                              Bo-Kyung Kim, AM, 25, Wigan
                              Chris Maguire, ST, 26, Sheffield Wednesday
                              Paul Anderson, RW, 26, Ipswich Town
                              Tomasz Cywka, LM, 26, Blackpool
                              Miles Addison, CB, 26, Blackpool
                              Mikkel Andersen, GK, 26, Reading
                              Alex Pearce, CB, 26, Reading
                              Kieran Lee, CM, 26, Sheffield Wednesday
                              Jem Caracan, CM, 26, Reading
                              Simon Church, ST, 26, Charlton
                              Marcus Olsson, LB, 26, Blackburn
                              Lee Novak, ST, 26, Birmingham
                              "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                              • nasser95
                                Gold Seat
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 7216

                                #30
                                Originally posted by upperloft
                                So we're looking at players already? Think we should wait until we have a permanent manager, then see if we have a fine/embargo we need to sort out, then the players that we are going to shift/keep, then who is good enough from youth... A lot to think about and old Nassar wants the chequebook out?? All these youngsters that are out of contract will still cost a few quid.
                                Yes, the ones under 21 may cost a bit, but those above 21 I don't think cost anything if their contracts are expired. Also, what is wrong with having targets? People complain that we don't go into the market with a strategy, now we can have one
                                "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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