Barton:"within 10 years there will be an openly gay professional footballer"

[twranger]

wow theres some neanderthals on here, have to admit i was homophobic until i grew up as well

[QPRDave]

So because some one has a different point of view they are m*rons.
How does that work?

[QPR1976]

Personally, I'm looking forward to the 'Gender Reassignments', coming out in all their finery.

In a Bangkok stylie. You go, girlfriend !

[vblockranger]

it is natural for them though isn't? Heterosexuality is unnatural for homosexuals.
It all depends on your standpoint.
As for the soaps you mentioned, surely they are just reflecting society as realisticly as possible.

are they? or are they trying too hard to make homosexuality seem everyday and normal in our society? well its not. But then maybe its just my generation as it seems you have to whisper gay and racist jokes down the pub now or to your friends otherwise you are pounced upon by the PC brigade

[gilly]

Um, so being racist is having a different point of view is it?

[stainrodisalegend]

So because some one has a different point of view they are m*rons.
How does that work?

Because its looking down on someone just because of who they sleep with. Its the same as 20 years ago fans insulting players just because they were black. What business is it of yours or mine what two consenting adults get up to in private? Why do you care? Looked at from the selfish position of a hetrosexual man looking to spread his genes you should actually be pleased as it leaves more women available. In 20 years time there is sure to be a re-run of the John Terry incident, but this time involving one player calling another one a "gay c**t". And hopefully the fans of the victim's team will show him the same support we all showed Anton Ferdinand on saturday against those prejudiced - yes - m*rons.

[maverick69]

Well there won't be too many gay footballers coming out if the *****ic comments on this thread are anything to go by.

Were any of you amongst the fans booing Terry for being a racist?

Just wondering.

And therein lies the problem. Will football ever react well enough if such a thing happened again?

I remember being told that allegedly a certain retired Arsenal defender wanted to come out of the closet - only for his chairman to tell him to get straight back in it and lock the door.

And that's England. Imagine the reaction in Spain or Italy...... Even though they're some of the biggest poofs ever to grace this planet.

[QPRDave]

Um, so being racist is having a different point of view is it?

Um I thought this was about gay footballers.
As for your question, what is it if it's not a different point of view?
Not mine personally

[DeepcutHoop]

are they? or are they trying too hard to make homosexuality seem everyday and normal in our society? well its not. But then maybe its just my generation as it seems you have to whisper gay and racist jokes down the pub now or to your friends otherwise you are pounced upon by the PC brigade

Yes, because it is. Just because you may not like the fact that gay people exist, doesn't mean they don't.

Unless you're suggesting that the makers of these people are trying to turn people gay?

Bigots are perfectly entitled to their opinions, but everyone else is entitled to point out that they are bigots.

[vblockranger]

Is it racist too think there are too many non-English born scroungers coming over to the UK claiming benefit and whatever else they can scrounge? Eastern Europeans and mongrols from Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Somalia etc every where you turn scrounging benefits and NHS time and money? if it is then i must be a racist...and so must quite a high percentage of people i talk and hear complaining about it as well..... thing is its sad because its people in the media who seem to want to ram multi cultural England down your throat every five minutes and that being gay is normal and cool...there the real problem in this country. Look at the BBC...full of sausage jockeys out and proud.

[QPRDave]

Because its looking down on someone just because of who they sleep with. Its the same as 20 years ago fans insulting players just because they were black. What business is it of yours or mine what two consenting adults get up to in private? Why do you care? Looked at from the selfish position of a hetrosexual man looking to spread his genes you should actually be pleased as it leaves more women available. In 20 years time there is sure to be a re-run of the John Terry incident, but this time involving one player calling another one a "gay c**t". And hopefully the fans of the victim's team will show him the same support we all showed Anton Ferdinand on saturday against those prejudiced - yes - m*rons.

Great stuff Stainrod but how is you're argument made any stronger by resorting to insults?
Resorting to insults says to me you're arguing it's wrong because this country says so.I haven't seen anyone on here say anything near as nasty as what you have said could happen in the future.

[gilly]

Um I thought this was about gay footballers.
As for your question, what is it if it's not a different point of view?
Not mine personally

Well it's about prejudice in general isn't it? I don't see that homophobia is any more an acceptable 'point of view' than racism.

Hatred - no mine, personally.

[vblockranger]

Yes, because it is. Just because you may not like the fact that gay people exist, doesn't mean they don't.

Unless you're suggesting that the makers of these people are trying to turn people gay?

Bigots are perfectly entitled to their opinions, but everyone else is entitled to point out that they are bigots.

well i guess ill be a bigot till i die then because i will never find homosexuality as normal...must be a racist bigot too as well because ill be the first one to lend a hand when the time comes to turf the scrounging foreigners over the Dover cliffs.

[stainrodisalegend]

Is it racist too think there are too many non-English born scroungers coming over to the UK claiming benefit and whatever else they can scrounge? Eastern Europeans and mongrols from Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Somalia etc every where you turn scrounging benefits and NHS time and money? if it is then i must be a racist...and so must quite a high percentage of people i talk and hear complaining about it as well..... thing is its sad because its people in the media who seem to want to ram multi cultural England down your throat every five minutes and that being gay is normal and cool...there the real problem in this country. Look at the BBC...full of sausage jockeys out and proud.

Is it elitist to ask whether the British economy is in such a hole because a large section of the native population is so fat, thick and lazy that we have to draw in so many immigrant workers? Is it elitist to point out that many of the most bigoted people failed at school, are unemployed or in very poorly paid jobs? And that these people then seek to hide their inadequecy by blaming "mongrols", "poofs" etc for the fact that they have rubbish lives?

As you might say, not my opinion, I'm only asking?

[gilly]

well i guess ill be a bigot till i die then because i will never find homosexuality as normal...must be a racist bigot too as well because ill be the first one to lend a hand when the time comes to turf the scrounging foreigners over the Dover cliffs.

Hope you gave Terry a mighty cheer then.