Will Adel get a chance?

[Midgeyboy]

I'd love to think Harry has connected with Adel in some way and we get to see the player that could be, but I can't honestly see Adel climbing down off of that high horse he seems to be on.

Have to say that I think he has been made a bit of a scapegoat.
At the same time i`m not privvy to any of it and from the outside looking in his attitude may/does seem to stink, but the season we went down he for me was a stand out player most weeks, his attitude was right, he was creating great chances every game (most of the time keepers having blinders against him saving everything in all corners of the goal)
the only time I saw a distinct lack of effort was the Reading (relegation)game where for me he had a "this is what youv`e been like all season" attitude towards his so called teammates, and I have to say I didn`t blame him.
For me I don`t think Harry ever wanted or liked him but he put up with him through lack of other options.
As said I do feel he`s been made a scapegoat of but he hasn`t helped himself since either.

[West Acton]

Hoddle's always rated him. Can see this being good for Tarbs if he stays.

That was my thought. If anyone can pull his head out his a rse and make him produce how alot of us think he can it's the Hod

[Geng]

For a player of his ability he is was way short in the contribution stakes for both goals and assists. In fairness to him it's a team game so others should chip in but given how highly thought if he is he should really have delivered more then he did

Also take the blinkers off and highlight for the same season how many costly errors he made and there are plenty and that's in 25 games fairs fair

So you hold Adel to a higher standard because he has more natural ability and thinks highly of himself. But his goals count just as much as anyone else's; you're really wanting us to shoot ourselves in the foot here.

For what it's worth, 5 goals and 4 assists isn't even bad. It's about the same rate as Lallana last season. Go look up how many attacking mids in the PL scored or assisted 9+ times in 25 games, you won't find many. You definitely won't find many who had such a return while playing for the worst side in the league.

The logic is just really, really daft. Would you really rather 3 goals from Jamie Mackie playing at 100% of his potential, or 5 from Adel at 60%? Adel is also fun to watch!

What costly errors are these? What about all those sitters SWP, Mackie and Cisse missed all through that season (mostly from Adel setups)?

This English inability to recognise what flair players bring to the team is very frustrating. Let's have a team of Mackie and Derrys and see how we do - at least they would hit the appropriate goals and assists contribution for their ability!

[Geng]

Have to say that I think he has been made a bit of a scapegoat.
At the same time i`m not privvy to any of it and from the outside looking in his attitude may/does seem to stink, but the season we went down he for me was a stand out player most weeks, his attitude was right, he was creating great chances every game (most of the time keepers having blinders against him saving everything in all corners of the goal)
the only time I saw a distinct lack of effort was the Reading (relegation)game where for me he had a "this is what youv`e been like all season" attitude towards his so called teammates, and I have to say I didn`t blame him.
For me I don`t think Harry ever wanted or liked him but he put up with him through lack of other options.
As said I do feel he`s been made a scapegoat of but he hasn`t helped himself since either.

That's how I remember it too, and if the player ratings on LFW are a decent guide (think Adel was our highest rated midfielder) it's what most of us thought at the time too

[West Acton]

So you hold Adel to a higher standard because he has more natural ability and thinks highly of himself. But his goals count just as much as anyone else's; you're really wanting us to shoot ourselves in the foot here.

For what it's worth, 5 goals and 4 assists isn't even bad. It's about the same rate as Lallana last season. Go look up how many attacking mids in the PL scored or assisted 9+ times in 25 games, you won't find many. You definitely won't find many who had such a return while playing for the worst side in the league.

The logic is just really, really daft. Would you really rather 3 goals from Jamie Mackie playing at 100% of his potential, or 5 from Adel at 60%? Adel is also fun to watch!

What costly errors are these? What about all those sitters SWP, Mackie and Cisse missed all through that season (mostly from Adel setups)?

This English inability to recognise what flair players bring to the team is very frustrating. Let's have a team of Mackie and Derrys and see how we do - at least they would hit the appropriate goals and assists contribution for their ability!

Geng you done the research on his spectacular season in our relegation season but have chosen to totally ignore or rewrite history as it don't suit your arguement. Those five goals he could have easily doubled off the top off my head but I have done all this before on other Adel threads but his 5 goals could have been 9 or 10. It's meaningless now

No I would 100% rather have Adel over mackie but I also want him to give a t oss or what's the point. He has the ability that's not in question but he lacks the drive and enthusiasm to make the most of it. Do I expect more from him, that's a top question which I had not thought of before but in answer and having given it some thought I suppose I do because as you say he was our flair player he was the one who should have made a difference and made us stand out against those we were competing with to avoid relegation but we and he came up short. The stronger always shoulder more responsibility then the weaker it's the way of the world always will be messi, Rooney etc thrive on thst pressure and responsibility Adel cannot step up in my book

As for people saying he was best player in relegation team wow weee what does that prove?? The whole team was turd he was turd too just slightly less turd then those he was playing with that season.

Remember when west ham went down with joe cole now he was a stand out player in a poor side he dragged that team through and to the final day so they had a chance he done everything he could to keep them up week in week out and hammers fans although they dropped respected him for giving everything in a team which was a shower can we honestly say the same thing about Adel??

[WeAreQPR12]

West you make some v valid pts, however the fact of the matter is our squad is starved of creativity. That is the no1 fact in all this. I will also go to say that we might as well not bother playing remy or austin because they won't get any service. I know friendlys aren't a way to judge but I also know that we clearly lack a player with vision. None of our midfield can pick a pass in the final 3rd and I'd rather watch an unfit adel for 30mins attempt to play a ball beyond the hull defenders. Ok it won't happen but until we either play or replace adel I don't see us having any joy. You can get away with it in the championship but we won't this year and without an unfit adel I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate!

[Shepherds Mush]

So you hold Adel to a higher standard because he has more natural ability and thinks highly of himself. But his goals count just as much as anyone else's; you're really wanting us to shoot ourselves in the foot here.

For what it's worth, 5 goals and 4 assists isn't even bad. It's about the same rate as Lallana last season. Go look up how many attacking mids in the PL scored or assisted 9+ times in 25 games, you won't find many. You definitely won't find many who had such a return while playing for the worst side in the league.

The logic is just really, really daft. Would you really rather 3 goals from Jamie Mackie playing at 100% of his potential, or 5 from Adel at 60%? Adel is also fun to watch!

What costly errors are these? What about all those sitters SWP, Mackie and Cisse missed all through that season (mostly from Adel setups)?

This English inability to recognise what flair players bring to the team is very frustrating. Let's have a team of Mackie and Derrys and see how we do - at least they would hit the appropriate goals and assists contribution for their ability!

Ridiculous post if only for the FACT that Lallana scored 9 not 5

[LoftusRoadLad]

£3 million cheeky sods !

http://www.football-italia.net/54170/milan-offer-qpr-%C2%A33m-taarabt?

[MYU]

Adel did win our man of the match 2012/13.

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?167066-MOM-game-1-QPR-v-Sheffield-Wednesday

[Geng]

Ridiculous post if only for the FACT that Lallana scored 9 not 5

Same rate.

Lallana started 37 matches; Adel 25.

Lallana 9 goals 6 assists = 0.4 per game

Adel 5 goals 4 assists = 0.36 per game

Adel's true rate will be slightly lower per minute as he made a bunch of sub appearances too. But still, it's pretty close especially considering Lallana played for an excellent, attacking side, with the likes of Lambert and Rodriguez to work with, whereas Adel was in an awful relegation team with wasters like SWP blasting all his chances into row Z.

[Nick]

IF Adel had a shocker in our promotion season THREE years ago...... Would people still be clutching at strews for him to finally come good and brush his pi$$ poor attitude aside and wish for him to play for us again and take on the premiership by storm. Or will people FINALLY see sense that this poisonous roly poly of a player will simply put a half ar$ed shift in, destroy our team spirit and waist a squad number while we're paying for his privileges????

[DeepcutHoop]

IF Adel had a shocker in our promotion season THREE years ago...... Would people still be clutching at strews for him to finally come good and brush his pi$$ poor attitude aside and wish for him to play for us again and take on the premiership by storm. Or will people FINALLY see sense that this poisonous roly poly of a player will simply put a half ar$ed shift in, destroy our team spirit and waist a squad number while we're paying for his privileges????

So if we rewrite history, would we see things differently?

[stainrodisalegend]

Geng has demolished every argument - but fact remains Adel is clearly engineering a move, the most odious agent in world football is involved, Harry doesn't seem to want him, Milan have made an offer and he will almost certainly be off. Think there is just a bit of minor quibbling about the price. Sadly Adel is one of those players who will only be properly appreciated once he has gone.

[Geng]

Geng you done the research on his spectacular season in our relegation season but have chosen to totally ignore or rewrite history as it don't suit your arguement. Those five goals he could have easily doubled off the top off my head but I have done all this before on other Adel threads but his 5 goals could have been 9 or 10. It's meaningless now

No I would 100% rather have Adel over mackie but I also want him to give a t oss or what's the point. He has the ability that's not in question but he lacks the drive and enthusiasm to make the most of it. Do I expect more from him, that's a top question which I had not thought of before but in answer and having given it some thought I suppose I do because as you say he was our flair player he was the one who should have made a difference and made us stand out against those we were competing with to avoid relegation but we and he came up short. The stronger always shoulder more responsibility then the weaker it's the way of the world always will be messi, Rooney etc thrive on thst pressure and responsibility Adel cannot step up in my book

As for people saying he was best player in relegation team wow weee what does that prove?? The whole team was turd he was turd too just slightly less turd then those he was playing with that season.

Remember when west ham went down with joe cole now he was a stand out player in a poor side he dragged that team through and to the final day so they had a chance he done everything he could to keep them up week in week out and hammers fans although they dropped respected him for giving everything in a team which was a shower can we honestly say the same thing about Adel??

This is an odd argument. Why criticise one of our few productive players that year for not being more productive?

Hoilett also played for us that season: 15 starts, 11 subs, one goal, one assist. He also could have got ten or fifteen goals. Why not slate Austin for not getting 20 goals last year?

Adel did shoulder responsibility. Whole months went by where he was the only person making things happen for us. And the fact you even think he had that responsibility - unlike Hoilett, say, or SWP - shows he's clearly not as bad in the PL as many make out.

[Geng]

Geng has demolished every argument - but fact remains Adel is clearly engineering a move, the most odious agent in world football is involved, Harry doesn't seem to want him, Milan have made an offer and he will almost certainly be off. Think there is just a bit of minor quibbling about the price. Sadly Adel is one of those players who will only be properly appreciated once he has gone.

Agree with all this.

Just doing my bit to stop history being rewritten!