Europe. In or out?

[Kevin Mcleod]

You are correct. Them and older affluent Tories who wanted to give their leader a kick. One of the few good things that has come from this debacle as far as I am concerned is a realisation that the first group exist at all ( and vote ). Whilst out canvassing for in I encountered astonishing ignorance and hatred. Hopefully I understand that better, even though open racism is so offensive. The more the debate went on, the less they understood, so they returned to what their heart and upbringing told them. Ie blame the foreigners. For me this country has become a much more scary place. We desperately need a new form of politics.

Why would the tories want to give their leader a kick when they only voted him in last year, don't get that bit mate.

[brightonr]

Obviously your canvassing didn't work. From your posts I can see why because you are becoming more and more offensive.

Hard to believe the nerve of some people, isn't it?

Worton - Quite clearly there are ignorant racists out there, just as there are those who tried to use the murder of an MP to add weight to their argument. Not sure which is worse to be honest.

With regard to the immigration point only, let me say this. This country needs immigration. But I really can't think of a much more backward and discriminatory attitude than to give preference to a French man over an Indian, a German over a Japanese, a Pole over a Norwegian, simply because they happen to be from a relatively recently formed political zone, which was never voted for by the population of this country and is ever increasing in size.

By all means point out what I'm missing. And perhaps you could enlighten me as to how we ever got roped in to paying child benefits to those who work here when their children are still living in their homeland. I'm sure we could all think of many other questions that don't have obvious answers.

The British people have spoken. And to my surprise and delight, they have thought for themselves rather than listen to the scaremongering and threats from our PM, his Chancellor, the Leader of the Opposition, leaders of minority parties such as the LibDems and Greens, the IMF, the Bank of England, the leaders of other EU nations and even the President of the United States. Despite all the attempts to persuade them to do as they are told, they still managed a majority, which is even more remarkable under the circumstances.

[jmelanie]

Yes I know mate...I'm just saying that it 'aint gonna actually change much. So if people voted for that reason, they're not going to get what they thought they might. That's my point, I guess - that's all

A lot of people didn't vote LEAVE because of immigration. However their numbers are not the problem. Before we left the EU (except Rumania and Bulgaria) could come to the U.K. to look for work even if they have no particular skill. With controlled immigration, only people with specific skills will be allowed to come to work in the United Kingdom. Last week the nurse who looked after me in the cancer unit at the hospital was from California. It took her 3 years to get a work permit for the United Kingdom. Prior to coming to the U.K. she had worked in a specialist cancer unit in California for six years. The paperwork she had to complete was enormous, on several times the authorities lost it and finally they made her take an English test. There is a shortage of nurses with specialties and during my treatment I do not recall being treated by anybody from an EU country. People with these specialties should be given preferential treatment and not have to wait years to come and work here.

[dogsrrs]

A lot of people didn't vote LEAVE because of immigration. However their numbers are not the problem. Before we left the EU (except Rumania and Bulgaria) could come to the U.K. to look for work even if they have no particular skill. With controlled immigration, only people with specific skills will be allowed to come to work in the United Kingdom. Last week the nurse who looked after me in the cancer unit at the hospital was from California. It took her 3 years to get a work permit for the United Kingdom. Prior to coming to the U.K. she had worked in a specialist cancer unit in California for six years. The paperwork she had to complete was enormous, on several times the authorities lost it and finally they made her take an English test. There is a shortage of nurses with specialties and during my treatment I do not recall being treated by anybody from an EU country. People with these specialties should be given preferential treatment and not have to wait years to come and work here.

J there are multiple examples of this ! a year or so back I spoke to a fella from the states that had to wait 4 years to his permit at the time he employed 40 people in the silicone industry all earning at least 40k a year all paying p a y e tax plus his own tax needless to say he certainly wasn't fan of the beurocracy

[jmelanie]

I really think some people in this country have gone mad. I assume you have seen the petition for another referendum which says:

“We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.”

I don't know that anybody has really read this but it means that we would be having perpetual referenda. To get 60% and a turnout of more than 75% is never going to happen, so if agreed we would go from one referendum to another. I think most of us have had enough of referendum for the foreseeable future.

[brightonr]

I'd sign it once we are definitely out.

[James1979]

Obviously the leave voters were not all racist and a lot made their decisions for the right reasons. However, there is no doubt that some in the leave campaign put blame at certain countries/races. There is no doubt that racism drove some of the vote to leave.

[James1979]

it was the working class who got this over the line, because it was the down trodden working class that had to put up with all the downsides the EU brought

Which to me shows that remain campaign could have done more. What will Sunderland working class do when Nissan decide to move their factory elsewhere? It will not be immediate but I understand this will happen due to Brexit over the next years.

[brightonr]

Which to me shows that remain campaign could have done more. What will Sunderland working class do when Nissan decide to move their factory elsewhere? It will not be immediate but I understand this will happen due to Brexit over the next years.

On the flip side James, a new chancellor could easily cut rates of corporation tax, making the UK a far more attractive place to operate one's business than mainland Europe. This could see an influx of inward investment, the creation of jobs rather than losses and no need for those who said they may leave the UK to do so.

Like those of us who wanted out have said all along, there are always alternatives to the doom and gloom scenarios painted by those too scared to leave. It's the decisions we make from now on that will determine our futures, not just the big one from Thursday. And those decisions are now in our own hands.

[Kevin Mcleod]

The best thing about Brexit is the remainions are so so so angry. Am enjoying their outbursts and public crying so much on Facebook and Twitter .
It's old age white rascists who did this to us etc etc ha ha.

[James1979]

On the flip side James, a new chancellor could easily cut rates of corporation tax, making the UK a far more attractive place to operate one's business than mainland Europe. This could see an influx of inward investment, the creation of jobs rather than losses and no need for those who said they may leave the UK to do so.

Like those of us who wanted out have said all along, there are always alternatives to the doom and gloom scenarios painted by those too scared to leave. It's the decisions we make from now on that will determine our futures, not just the big one from Thursday. And those decisions are now in our own hands.

At the end of the day, we will only truly know who is right on this in a few years time. I don't think we'll be as badly off as remain made out but in my view we will be worse off. The race issue or at least the undercurrent is why I am/was so vehemently against leave. U.K. is a welcoming, multi-cultural, tolerant country. We cannot say that now.

[James1979]

The best thing about Brexit is the remainions are so so so angry. Am enjoying their outbursts and public crying so much on Facebook and Twitter .
It's old age white rascists who did this to us etc etc ha ha.

Well whatever gives you kicks. Personally I went out and enjoyed the weekend today!

[Kevin Mcleod]

Just one example from my time line.



A man called Sayed just drove me home. He told me he voted remain. He has a PhD in economics. His children are graduating this year. He's lived here since 1992, he was born in Pakistan. He told me he's never claimed any benefits, despite what people say about workers from overseas. He's worried for his future and for his children's future. What made me really sad was when he said, at the end of the journey:

"Sorry if I've said anything wrong"

He'd merely described his life up to this point and told me how worried he was about the rise of racism in the UK.

All I could do was apologise for my country and said that while half of people voted with fear and ignorance, the other half have voted with love and support for all of our citizens, wherever they're from.

Thanks brexiteers. Thanks for turning on your fellow humans and making all of our futures that little bit more uncertain.

[Kevin Mcleod]

Well whatever gives you kicks. Personally I went out and enjoyed the weekend today!

I was hanging so bad from falling through the front door at 8am from being out celebrating all night on the beer and bugle.
Glad you had a good day though mate.,

[James1979]

I was hanging from falling in at 8am from celebrating all night on the beer and bugle.
Glad you had a good day though mate.,

Cracking. Got a 10% pay increase due to the gbp decline. Couldn't be happier!