Taarabt

[Michael229]

No, he could simply have said we sold him because we already had a good midfield - that would have sufficed, and there would have been no shame in that. But Harry clearly wanted to keep him, and even went as far as saying he always felt selling Tarbs would come back to haunt him.

Don't be so gullible!

[Marshy]

Unreal aint it. Pretty obvious different people have different opinions / views on the matter its been had 50 times over (in the last 2 weeks alone!).

That thread had a lot of discussions. This thread was started with one aim only - to be resurrected when Tarbs proves himself at the top to make the Tarbs-haters reflect back upon how silly they were.

[Marshy]

Sorry I haven't been following this whole debate but why are we now bringing Routledge into all this? He seems to be doing ok for the jacks right now. In the words of Dirty Harry "A man should always know his limitations" a lesson Routledge seems to have learnt better than Tarbs on current evidence.

Because someone said Tarbs is not good enough to play in a top 10 PL side, and Swansea are a top 10 PL side and Routledge regularly plays for them.

[Del]

Nope, you're just making stuff up as you go along.

That's rich coming from the person who states 90% of the time he loses the ball he has nothing on.... You're in dreamland if you honestly believe that. What's more pathetic though is you get confrontational with any poster who disagrees with you, rather than actually make a valid case with substance and facts.

When that article spells it out for you, you say its only one game.... yeah it is, but he's played identical to that in loads of games.

Then to compound your argument you say he can't create any chances without anyone to pass to...... Unbelievable. You and he must be the only 2 people who think he's the only person on the pitch.

As for Routledge, on this seaon's form yeah i'd say he's been by far the better player of the 2. Just becasue Adel has moments that make people think wow, they don't outweigh the bad things. Routledge probably created more for his team in their opening game against us, as Adel has all season. Add to that he's been excellent for them all season, i don't see how you can suggest he's inferier. Also, ref our time in the Championship, he did brilliantly for us when he returned and scored crucial goals that ultimately got us back on track, so not sure why you're suggesting he had little impact there either.....

[Marshy]

That's rich coming from the person who states 90% of the time he loses the ball he has nothing on.... You're in dreamland if you honestly believe that. What's more pathetic though is you get confrontational with any poster who disagrees with you, rather than actually make a valid case with substance and facts.

When that article spells it out for you, you say its only one game.... yeah it is, but he's played identical to that in loads of games.

Then to compound your argument you say he can't create any chances without anyone to pass to...... Unbelievable. You and he must be the only 2 people who think he's the only person on the pitch.

As for Routledge, on this seaon's form yeah i'd say he's been by far the better player of the 2. Just becasue Adel has moments that make people think wow, they don't outweigh the bad things. Routledge probably created more for his team in their opening game against us, as Adel has all season. Add to that he's been excellent for them all season, i don't see how you can suggest he's inferier. Also, ref our time in the Championship, he did brilliantly for us when he returned and scored crucial goals that ultimately got us back on track, so not sure why you're suggesting he had little impact there either.....

Oh dear, you just lost any credibility you had. At least I now realise you're another paulmason, and not worth debating with as you just come out with complete sh1te.

Just FYI,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/27/premier-league-halfway-numbers

Most chances created (inc assists)

1 Leighton Baines Everton 65
2 Luis Suárez Liverpool 51
3 David Silva Manchester City 50
4= Santi Cazorla Arsenal 49
Steven Gerrard Liverpool 49
6= Nicky Shorey Reading 44
Adel Taarabt QPR 44

You must feel like a right idiot now.

[Del]

Oh dear, you just lost any credibility you had. At least I now realise you're another paulmason, and not worth debating with as you just come out with complete sh1te.

Just FYI,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/27/premier-league-halfway-numbers

Most chances created (inc assists)

1 Leighton Baines Everton 65
2 Luis Suárez Liverpool 51
3 David Silva Manchester City 50
4= Santi Cazorla Arsenal 49
Steven Gerrard Liverpool 49
6= Nicky Shorey Reading 44
Adel Taarabt QPR 44

You must feel like a right idiot now.

No i don't because "chances created" stats like that include corners etc and we all know he rarely beats the first man with them, so means little.

Just to prove my point, Routledge got 2 assists in open play in the game against us..... According to a stats site i've just checked, Adel has 2 assists all season, none from open play.

What matters is end product.

[Robsondinho]

All about opinions, some people like flair players, some people prefer grafters. The problem Adel has is that he is a flair player and when things don't go well, or he doesn't score he is a easy target. I mean mackie was a joke against liverpool but because he runs around it's ok to some fans. For me Adel is our best player, and at present until Harry buys he is our only hope of creating chances or scoring as I cant see no other forward player doing it. Does this make him the worlds best, Hell no! He has got the natural ability to be what he wants in the game, just needs to sort his decision making out, but then on the other side of the coin if I was dribbling and looked up and saw SWP or Mackie screaming for the ball I would more then likely try to go alone also!

[Marshy]

No i don't because "chances created" stats like that include corners etc and we all know he rarely beats the first man with them, so means little.

Just to prove my point, Routledge got 2 assists in open play in the game against us..... According to a stats site i've just checked, Adel has 2 assists all season, none from open play.

What matters is end product.

You're talking sh1te again. Happy to quote stats like "lost ball" when it suits you and not look at how the ball was lost, but not happy to quote stats when it doesn't suit you.

As for Adel's corners, I am the one who started the thread that they're appalling at the beginning of the season, but they have been much better lately, As for not clearing the first defender, haha, you clearly did not see the WBA game as M'bia missed two great chances, Hill had one cleared of the line, and Mackie should have done better too.

You're full of so much sh1te, and I don't like wasting my time with disingenuous individuals, so I shall not bother replying to you any more.

[Marshy]

All about opinions, some people like flair players, some people prefer grafters. The problem Adel has is that he is a flair player and when things don't go well, or he doesn't score he is a easy target. I mean mackie was a joke against liverpool but because he runs around it's ok to some fans. For me Adel is our best player, and at present until Harry buys he is our only hope of creating chances or scoring as I cant see no other forward player doing it. Does this make him the worlds best, Hell no! He has got the natural ability to be what he wants in the game, just needs to sort his decision making out, but then on the other side of the coin if I was dribbling and looked up and saw SWP or Mackie screaming for the ball I would more then likely try to go alone also!

Brilliant! Agree with your post though, sensible and not full of hyperbole.

[Stevesuperhoops]

Wow didnt think my thread about Taarabt being sold or not would provoke such a discussion, plus we would also owe Spurs 5 million of the sell on fee i believe

[vblockranger]

You're talking sh1te again. Happy to quote stats like "lost ball" when it suits you and not look at how the ball was lost, but not happy to quote stats when it doesn't suit you.

As for Adel's corners, I am the one who started the thread that they're appalling at the beginning of the season, but they have been much better lately, As for not clearing the first defender, haha, you clearly did not see the WBA game as M'bia missed two great chances, Hill had one cleared of the line, and Mackie should have done better too.

You're full of so much sh1te, and I don't like wasting my time with disingenuous individuals, so I shall not bother replying to you any more.

thank **** for that cos you are talking sh1te

[Del]

You're talking sh1te again. Happy to quote stats like "lost ball" when it suits you and not look at how the ball was lost, but not happy to quote stats when it doesn't suit you.

As for Adel's corners, I am the one who started the thread that they're appalling at the beginning of the season, but they have been much better lately, As for not clearing the first defender, haha, you clearly did not see the WBA game as M'bia missed two great chances, Hill had one cleared of the line, and Mackie should have done better too.

You're full of so much sh1te, and I don't like wasting my time with disingenuous individuals, so I shall not bother replying to you any more.

You're just making yourself look like more or an idiot each post you make. All i said was Routledge probably created as much in the game against us as Adel has all season.... and with actual assists proved this was the case with facts. You then say i'm talking sh1te.... Good one.

You admit yourself his corners had been pathetic up until recently, and yet i expect they will have been included in the "chances created" stat, even when in reality they aren't. If you actually read my comment i said rarely beats the first man, and over the course of the season (which your stat covers) that will definitley be the case. Yes of late they've improved, but they needed to. It doesn't make any difference as the majority he's taken all season have been awful (as you'd pointed out).

The point is, that is a stat that is not foolproof. What really matters for chances are aspects like clear cut chances created (there were 6 on the site EPL index site), assists, and goals... things that impact games. Why you also bring up the "lost ball" stat i don't know, as that again is something that is relevant and can change games. But you say i don't look at how it was lost.... It's not hard for anyone with a brain who watches the games to see how it was lost, by him trying something and messing it up.

[rockandroll]

No i don't because "chances created" stats like that include corners etc and we all know he rarely beats the first man with them, so means little.

Just to prove my point, Routledge got 2 assists in open play in the game against us..... According to a stats site i've just checked, Adel has 2 assists all season, none from open play.

What matters is end product.

those stats are from open play not including corners etc.. check the index site before again ..

[Stanley]

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. People will always use stats to try and prove their point but, as has been stated so often, they never tell you the whole story. What's more they can always be spun to justify either side of the debate.

Robsondinho probably spoke the most sense on the subject here:

All about opinions, some people like flair players, some people prefer grafters. The problem Adel has is that he is a flair player and when things don't go well, or he doesn't score he is a easy target. I mean mackie was a joke against liverpool but because he runs around it's ok to some fans. For me Adel is our best player, and at present until Harry buys he is our only hope of creating chances or scoring as I cant see no other forward player doing it. Does this make him the worlds best, Hell no! He has got the natural ability to be what he wants in the game, just needs to sort his decision making out, but then on the other side of the coin if I was dribbling and looked up and saw SWP or Mackie screaming for the ball I would more then likely try to go alone also!

[Robsondinho]

Different class tonight.