Stephan out

[topperharley]

The Championship is virtually a blank piece of paper every season due to most teams overhauling their squads and having a new manager. Our squad was relatively settled and we eased into the season okay-ish but we never really got out of 1st gear. Most teams found their feet, settled into a rhythm and went through the gears. It's been startling in recent games seeing how far off the pace we are. Unfit, slow, cautious, disjointed with no flow or rhythm.

JS has to carry the can for this. We are weak, naive and easy to beat. Worse of all, we are plain dull and awful to watch, we are literally "losing ugly" and it's not good enough.

I agree.

Nourry is doing the only thing he can do to elevate us, and yes it's not working but signing youngsters and unknowns, developing and selling them is the only way we push on. We do not have the budget to do anything else and hope to be fighting in the top half of the championship regularly.

For sure, it's not working and Nourry probably has to take the fall for not implementing, or bringing in staff who can implement a winning culture while doing that.

You only have to look at Wrexham to see what mentality can acheive. But lets not forget that they do have a really strong revenue source.

I don't think JS has what it takes to be enigmatic and drive the club on.

I do not want to be one of the BRinG bAck WaRNocK! crowd but, he is an example of a talisman that the club needs. QPR should be taken by the scruff of the neck, and given the professional drive and impetus to succeed. Build a vision and a club where everyone is driving for a vision, while supporting Nourry's plan which is not easy if turning players over, but we have to go from being a so so London club with a fun ground, to the tough underdog that can shock anyone.

Maybe send Nourry to Hollywood and pitch to Brad Pitt or The Rock.

[FurtiveFox]

I'm not saying stick with JS but we have had the same problems for years and by that I mean for some years prior to CN coming on board as well.

We do not generally improve players, if anything they get worse. We have no identifiable style of play. Weak spine, no coordinated attack (so very few chances for strikers) and generally little cohesion as a unit. This is with various managers in charge. We have been relying on hanging in there in games and nicking results and have just done about enough of that to maintain our Championship status.

On paper we have great training facilities now and have invested in backroom staff. We have recruited a lot of younger players with potential. The ingredients are now there but still same end result both on the pitch and developing players. If we can't work out why that is then probably little point just changing manager as we will likely get the same result.

Happy to cut JS some slack with injuries as overall this is an improved season compared to other recent ones but we need to see some hope of change in the last ten games, some spark.

Morgan looked good last season, gone backwards this season. Saito by the second half of last season looked good, started well on his return this season and gone backwards. Both Morrison and Dembele showed promise last season before injury, gone backwards this season. Kone I think with a lot of other sides would be looking good and would have 15+ goals by now. We are very poor for supporting strikers. Varane I would say gone backwards this year. Kolli not moved forwards. Nobody of note of other youngsters showing much sign of coming through as anything more than bench fillers with odd appearances.

If by some miracle we can sort out underlying problems over rest of this season and summer we have some promise with this group of players. Sadly though I am not holding my breath.

Personally would keep CN. What I do wonder though is if he and we would benefit from having an older footballing person alongside him. Bit like an up and coming young manager and with an old warhorse assistant. Not suggesting Warnock but a Warnock of five years ago type.

[Stanfan]

A month ago we were close to top 6 so I don’t think we can say JS is a disaster, I think we just need him to say what the plan is right now as some of his decisions do seem odd. Eg bringing Smith on at right back when he looked like he’s never played there. Not good for a young guy who has a lot of promise. Odd to bring on JCS when I assume he won’t get a contract with his injury record. Story on Cook very difficult to understand as he was playing really well when dropped for a rest. Story on chair needed. Should hear from the fitness guru on why things are so bad for several players. Feel Kone next to get a muscle injury as he’s working socks off week after week and kolli could have done that job for at least some of game. Felt team yesterday let down more by senior players other than jimmy illustrated by some just walking off at end of game.

[topperharley]

He's not a disaster, there is enought there to say the guy is a good coach. He does also deserve some rope due to critical injuries.

But is he the right man for this club?

We are unique in many ways, central London, big but also not big at all, still financially hamstrung and with no way out of that without consistently finding Eze-esque gems every couple of years.

I do feel now, after 3 complete drubbings, that JS is not the right guy. Teams that a re together do not capitulate like this regularly. We do almost need to go a bit backwards in order to go forwards. We need a manager not a head coach. We need someone that can be across the club more, across youth setups and player purchasing, while still looking at Nourry's vision of developing players as a necessity and a net positive.

It needs a guy that the club as a whole, not just the dressing room rallies around.

They are out there, and they are at our level also. Klopp is a man that comes to mind and he did not start at Dortmund, there are retiring players that have it, look at Fabregas and Como, incredible, again, the Wrexham boss, will he run out of steam and nouse? Maybe but what he's done is frankly astonishing. It's up to the club to find these men.

Not numbers guys, not tactical masterminds, they may have a grasp on those things but what they are above all is they're leaders. The club lacks leaders.

[Mem]

It is awful at the moment, there’s no point us burying our heads in the sand. The lack of desire, no tracking back, poor body language, laughter on the bench is not acceptable.

Somethings not right, that’s obvious

lack of information re injuries is not on either, where’s chair, where Obikwu, why is cook not starting, Poku not feeling right to be on the bench, when is Burrell back. The club in my opinion is treating us fans as mugs with all of this.

Championship is relentless and needs a proven ‘unfashionable’ manager. The evidence is there, look at Millwall, Rowett starting to get a tune out of Leicester. You know what I would prefer Allardyce to Stephan. Only my opinion but it looks like the players aren’t playing for him but what do I know.

Bould - where is he, what’s he doing. Conceded the most goals in the league other than Sheff W - totally unacceptable, the bloke should be sacked.

QPR fans are very patient and at the moment too patient. We’ve actually spent quite a bit of money and the current performances are both embarrassing and unacceptable

[daveshads]

Patience indeed. A lot of decent stuff comes from the forums, but not so much from the club itself. Discount yesterday. Boro are a decent team in very good form. The way we have been playing, we had zero chance.
There have been a few French managers in English football. Not surprisingly, those with top clubs have done well (Wenger/Houllier) but outside of those, the Championship has not been a happy place. I think that given the rather artistic French nature/flair the grind of the Championship is alien to all of them.
Julien seems like a really nice guy and of course we do not know what is going on in the background. However Julien is definitely un poisson hors de l’eau.
It was interesting to hear Neil Warnock yesterday. I particularly noted his comment that QPR were not working hard enough.
I don’t believe the French would see the importance of such graft.

[3London]

We can't sack another manager

I think we have been completely wrecked by injuries - our bench yesterday was pitiful - Kids and crocked defenders

the last 3 games the opposition has brought on more talent from the bench than we have in our entire squad - Millions of pounds worth - we cannot compete with that over a season

Then add to that Injuries to most of our attack and flair and its no wonder we are struggling

Burrell, Chair, Poku, Dembele, Madsen , Obikwu, the creative heart of the team missing for months

Also without Varane, Hayden for chunks of the season

Add to that Kone is running on fumes and still only 22 and his first season in this division i think even the best of managers would struggle.

So relying on Saito, Bennie, Smyth, Kolli to get you goals against teams like Sheef Utd , Southampton, And Midds is asking a lot.

If anyone needs to be changed its our fitness staff who somehow cannot keep a squad fit or free from muscle injuries

[daveshads]

I will be more than happy for JS to stay but…..
1) He needs to prove that he can learn from his mistakes.
2) He should seek short term help from an older/wiser head.
3) If he is fit Cook must start.
4) Discard Esquerdino. Use Saito/Smyth only as subs.
5) Find a proper club captain.
6) Work out what Steve Bould does and consider sack.
7) Consider using Edwards as midfielder.

That would be a start!

[Stanfan]

We probably can’t afford to pay him off unless we save money in players. I’m still prepared to give him benefit of my doubt. I did sense something was going on in the dressing room/ training ground but some of the decisions are probably £ related and not just injury related. Cook and Obikwu situations odd. The financial reality is we have to cope with young players who are cheaper and most won’t be as tough as the boro guys last week. The owners for me are fabulous pushing ffp to the limit.

[Acton Stations]

I've never been overly convinced from the start that Julien Stopgap was right for us, but I believe we have enough to limp over the line with him this time round. However, I really don't know what he's been saying to the players at half time to make them oft under-perform in the second half. At times I feel that when we do make managerial changes we seem to be just treating the symptoms rather than the cause. I'm prepared to keep him for the moment and live in hope for betting things from him, but if we start next season badly then replace him if possible in good time before the Jan window.

[Abseits]

I see Joey Barton's been nicked for scrapping again..... I'd have him as gaffer over JS all day.
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[Darkranger]

I see Joey Barton's been nicked for scrapping again..... I'd have him as gaffer over JS all day.
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We'd end up with injuries of a different sort (black eyes, broke nose, bruised ribs).

[FurtiveFox]

Not a good day for Joey. Lost his libel case and now has to pay £339,000. I personally though back him to bounce back and maybe get a job in the laundry where he can learn some new skills for when he is released.

[LoftusRoadLad]

Should have kept John Eustace

[72bus]

Not a good day for Joey. Lost his libel case and now has to pay £339,000. I personally though back him to bounce back and maybe get a job in the laundry where he can learn some new skills for when he is released.

Bartons cashed , properties abroad, racehorses.
He will have the wing daddy on wages and a promise.
Screws will give him a easy job like teaboy , bloke does like to get himself in a pickle .