Club gives fleet of coaches to bring economic migrants from Calais

[gaza09]

any KKK activity doesn't lead to an increase in hate crime against the whole Christian belief system and nor should it. Yet extremist activity by people claiming to represent Islam is a remotely understandable excuse to attack Muslims?

If some goes and stabs someone in London, then claims they did it in the name of Islam, then someone else attacks me because I'm Muslim, would you say that's an understandable reaction?

Understandable yes acceptable no.

[gaza09]

And I don't condone the antisemitic attacks, but the fact that Jewish people unfortunately have to deal with a lot of issues doesn't mean that that the country treats Muslims well, it just means that Muslims and Jewish people deal with more issues than they should.

Its the muslims attacking the jews in france

[1QPRDK]

And I don't condone the antisemitic attacks, but the fact that Jewish people unfortunately have to deal with a lot of issues doesn't mean that that the country treats Muslims well, it just means that Muslims and Jewish people deal with more issues than they should.

Itīs unfortunate that some members of the French population commit hate crimes based on race, religion, or sexuality, but please enlighten me I still fail to see how they have been treated worse than other minorities in France. They have the same rights as everyone else there.

[nasser95]

Its the muslims attacking the jews in france

In that article, the clear majority of the antisemitism was brought about by the National Front, with the Muslim to Jewish hate crime being described in the article as shown below:

“French Muslims, immigrants, and French citizens of Middle Eastern, North African, or Sub-Saharan African heritage, especially those living and attending school in marginalized areas, experience prejudice and suffer from hate crimes as well as official and private discrimination,” the report noted.
Many young people in these communities suffer a lack of education and social mobility and are exposed to extremist views on the internet that “bombard” them with anti-Semitism.
Some of the most common anti-Semitic beliefs are that the Jews control too much power or too much wealth, the report noted, and some of the other less common attitudes are that the Jews “use the Holocaust to their advantage,” and are more loyal to the state of Israel than France.
The discrimination is concentrated more among the elderly, poor, less educated, and more religious, the report added, and is more likely to occur during heightened Israeli-Palestinian conflict and right after terror attacks or well-publicized anti-Semitic hate crimes.

The anger is brought about by a lack of education, as a result of the marginalisation of Muslims in France... you know, the poor treatment I was talking about. This has led to those unable to assimilate being resentful towards the Jewish people they mistakenly see as controlling the wealth and power.

Perhaps if young Muslims were more encouraged to take on better education in the same way a lot of them have been in countries like the UK (where integration is much stronger than in France), there wouldn't be such poor treatment from one side to the other. You see, all the issues are linked, but if you want to be as closed minded as to think that way, nothing I can do to change that. I merely offer the information as I see it and people can interpret it however they want to.

Oh and just to add to the end of this:

Twenty-two percent of practicing Catholics surveyed said there too many Jews in France, while 16 percent of all those surveyed answered that way.

[nasser95]

Itīs unfortunate that some members of the French population commit hate crimes based on race, religion, or sexuality, but please enlighten me I still fail to see how they have been treated worse than other minorities in France. They have the same rights as everyone else there.

The statement isn't about the treatment of Muslims relative to other minorities, it's about the poor treatment of Muslims in general. As we know that Jewish people are poorly treated, why should that make the poor treatment of Muslims any more acceptable?

The problem statement was:

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a Muslim in France. They are despised and treated as second class citizens, even the ones who have been there from birth.

Nothing to do with how they're treated relative to Jewish people or people of any other minority. Just the fact that they are treated poorly is enough. The other minorities are also dealing with issues, but that doesn't trivialise the ones Muslims face.

Here's a more substantial article if anyone would like a more in depth history of the issue.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/burkini-ban-islamophobia-valls-france-secularism-islam/

[gaza09]

In that article, the clear majority of the antisemitism was brought about by the National Front, with the Muslim to Jewish hate crime being described in the article as shown below:



The anger is brought about by a lack of education, as a result of the marginalisation of Muslims in France... you know, the poor treatment I was talking about. This has led to those unable to assimilate being resentful towards the Jewish people they mistakenly see as controlling the wealth and power.

Perhaps if young Muslims were more encouraged to take on better education in the same way a lot of them have been in countries like the UK (where integration is much stronger than in France), there wouldn't be such poor treatment from one side to the other. You see, all the issues are linked, but if you want to be as closed minded as to think that way, nothing I can do to change that. I merely offer the information as I see it and people can interpret it however they want to.

Oh and just to add to the end of this:

And yet who was it who shot up a jewish shop?

[brightonr]

any KKK activity doesn't lead to an increase in hate crime against the whole Christian belief system and nor should it. Yet extremist activity by people claiming to represent Islam is a remotely understandable excuse to attack Muslims?

If some goes and stabs someone in London, then claims they did it in the name of Islam, then someone else attacks me because I'm Muslim, would you say that's an understandable reaction?

Have to agree with gaza on this. Of course it's not acceptable, but understandable. Understandable on the basis that some peole are just thick Nass. I'd far rather we were all more tolerant towards the views of others, but I'm p1551ng in the wind on that one.

And on your other point, what sort of lunatic goes around asking catholics if they think there are too many jews in France? What the bloody hell has it got to do with them?

[1QPRDK]

In that article, the clear majority of the antisemitism was brought about by the National Front, with the Muslim to Jewish hate crime being described in the article as shown below:



The anger is brought about by a lack of education, as a result of the marginalisation of Muslims in France... you know, the poor treatment I was talking about. This has led to those unable to assimilate being resentful towards the Jewish people they mistakenly see as controlling the wealth and power.

Perhaps if young Muslims were more encouraged to take on better education in the same way a lot of them have been in countries like the UK (where integration is much stronger than in France), there wouldn't be such poor treatment from one side to the other. You see, all the issues are linked, but if you want to be as closed minded as to think that way, nothing I can do to change that. I merely offer the information as I see it and people can interpret it however they want to.

Oh and just to add to the end of this:

Poor b@st@rds. Are you telling me that they have no access to free public schools, high schools and nearly free universities in Socialist France?
I feel sad for them, being totally marginalised out of existence is not cool dude.

[nasser95]

Have to agree with gaza on this. Of course it's not acceptable, but understandable. Understandable on the basis that some peole are just thick Nass. I'd far rather we were all more tolerant towards the views of others, but I'm p1551ng in the wind on that one.

And on your other point, what sort of lunatic goes around asking catholics if they think there are too many jews in France? What the bloody hell has it got to do with them?

Same person who probably asks a bunch of randomers weird survey questions on the street of England. Surveys are generally stupid these days haha.

[nasser95]

Poor b@st@rds. Are you telling me that they have no access to free public schools, high schools and nearly free universities in Socialist France?

They are marginalised and bullied in school, this being disenchanted with the idea of education and not carrying it through. Their parents are either not around or have been so poorly treated historically that they harbour anger and resentment towards the establishment and are unfortunately as poorly educated as their children for exactly the same reasons. It's a cycle that won't change without the focus on integration that is absolutely necessary and should be encouraged, not feared.

You know what creates radicalisation? Separation. Integration develops bonds and stops the threat of radicalisation.

[gaza09]

They are marginalised and bullied in school, this being disenchanted with the idea of education and not carrying it through. Their parents are either not around or have been so poorly treated historically that they harbour anger and resentment towards the establishment and are unfortunately as poorly educated as their children for exactly the same reasons. It's a cycle that won't change without the focus on integration that is absolutely necessary and should be encouraged, not feared.

You know what creates radicalisation? Separation. Integration develops bonds and stops the threat of radicalisation.

It sounds like france might not be the country for them, maybe they could go live in an islamic country where they will be free from all this intolerance.

[1QPRDK]

They are marginalised and bullied in school, this being disenchanted with the idea of education and not carrying it through. Their parents are either not around or have been so poorly treated historically that they harbour anger and resentment towards the establishment and are unfortunately as poorly educated as their children for exactly the same reasons. It's a cycle that won't change without the focus on integration that is absolutely necessary and should be encouraged, not feared.

You know what creates radicalisation? Separation. Integration develops bonds and stops the threat of radicalisation.

Is that irony, Nass? Because that is just not true.

[1QPRDK]

They are marginalised and bullied in school, this being disenchanted with the idea of education and not carrying it through. Their parents are either not around or have been so poorly treated historically that they harbour anger and resentment towards the establishment and are unfortunately as poorly educated as their children for exactly the same reasons. It's a cycle that won't change without the focus on integration that is absolutely necessary and should be encouraged, not feared.

You know what creates radicalisation? Separation. Integration develops bonds and stops the threat of radicalisation.

Agreed, but a lot of the migrants donīt want to integrate, e.g. put local legislation above Sharia?

[1QPRDK]

Agreed, but a lot of the migrants donīt want to integrate, e.g. put local legislation above Sharia?

But that is understandable, because they have been marginalised obviously...

Just like the terrorism we see. It is mainly because the poor buggers have been marginalised in our evil wretched societies giving them nothing but grief. Apart from the same opportunities and welfare benefits as everyone else.

[1QPRDK]

It sounds like france might not be the country for them, maybe they could go live in an islamic country where they will be free from all this intolerance.

Oh the horror. Poor muslims. They are bullied everywhere.