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  • Alanwycombe
    Silver Seat
    • Feb 2014
    • 2215

    #76
    Originally posted by Shepherds Mush
    I think he should support the attacks more - get involved around the box and pressure the oppositions defence.
    I agree, but I don't think JFH wants that.....or even knows what his best position is.

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    • Kevin Mcleod
      Referee
      • Aug 2013
      • 17322

      #77
      Originally posted by Alanwycombe
      I agree, but I don't think JFH wants that.....or even knows what his best position is.
      Can tell saturdays win has become just a very distant memory to you this morning Al..

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      • nasser95
        Gold Seat
        • Dec 2012
        • 7216

        #78
        Originally posted by dave58
        Well Nas didn't fancy answering this one ? Was hoping you were going to convince me he is the best midfielder in the Championship in your opinion
        As I said before, I can't take you seriously when you try covering for a mistake you make by putting it in your point. I'm not here to convince you about things, especially since all you want to do is find new ways to complain and try and disprove things. I've got my own thread in my own section where I backed Luongo weeks ago and I will continue to because every time I watch this guy, I'm amazed by what he does for someone of his frame.

        He's fast when tracking a runner and somehow manages to get his body into position to make a perfect tackle when he's behind the opposition player on the ball. He wins everything in the air despite being tiny, he's so aggressive in the tackle and yet he looks like our own little iniesta when he's on the ball. And that's not just against fulham. He does that every week, people just don't pay much attention because he doesn't try and do the whole goalscorer from CM thing. He's comfortable doing a job defensively, running forward with the ball and releasing it to one of 4 in front of him to do the job.

        The stats have proven that, just as I've displayed on this thread (but you choose to ignore because all you care about is man of the match performances). Well, right now, he's our highest rated player on whoscored.com and he was our second highest rated last year overall, but playing as a CM last year, he was by quite a distance our highest rated and even more so, he was the highest rated centre mid in the league last season.

        People expect him to be a different player than the one he is because people always want something different to what they actually have in front of them. It always happens, especially here. But for me, he does a phenomenal job in that role and is IMO the best midfielder in this league. It's not your opinion, nor is it anyone else's most likely, but it's mine.
        "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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        • dave58
          Gold Seat
          • Jan 2010
          • 5285

          #79
          Originally posted by nasser95
          As I said before, I can't take you seriously when you try covering for a mistake you make by putting it in your point. I'm not here to convince you about things, especially since all you want to do is find new ways to complain and try and disprove things. I've got my own thread in my own section where I backed Luongo weeks ago and I will continue to because every time I watch this guy, I'm amazed by what he does for someone of his frame.

          He's fast when tracking a runner and somehow manages to get his body into position to make a perfect tackle when he's behind the opposition player on the ball. He wins everything in the air despite being tiny, he's so aggressive in the tackle and yet he looks like our own little iniesta when he's on the ball. And that's not just against fulham. He does that every week, people just don't pay much attention because he doesn't try and do the whole goalscorer from CM thing. He's comfortable doing a job defensively, running forward with the ball and releasing it to one of 4 in front of him to do the job.

          The stats have proven that, just as I've displayed on this thread (but you choose to ignore because all you care about is man of the match performances). Well, right now, he's our highest rated player on whoscored.com and he was our second highest rated last year overall, but playing as a CM last year, he was by quite a distance our highest rated and even more so, he was the highest rated centre mid in the league last season.

          People expect him to be a different player than the one he is because people always want something different to what they actually have in front of them. It always happens, especially here. But for me, he does a phenomenal job in that role and is IMO the best midfielder in this league. It's not your opinion, nor is it anyone else's most likely, but it's mine.
          I don't need all the rubbish I just want you to justify as in your statement and I quote that" he's the best midfielder in the championship" (stats) I wasn't trying to cover up anything as I said he was anonymous in that game as he'd been in others meaning non existent in other games he's played, obviously you cant grasp irony , as I said he's a talented lad but Saturday was the first time ever he really stamped himself on a game, so finding it hard to see where evidence is coming from with regard your statement, evidence as your the stat man
          Last edited by dave58; 04-10-2016, 11:38 AM.

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          • nasser95
            Gold Seat
            • Dec 2012
            • 7216

            #80
            Originally posted by dave58
            I don't need all the rubbish I just want you to justify as in your statement and I quote that" he's the best midfielder in the championship" (stats) I wasn't trying to cover up anything as I said he was anonymous in that game as he'd been in others meaning non existent in other games he's played, obviously you cant grasp irony , as I said he's a talented lad but Saturday was the first time ever he really stamped himself on a game, so finding it hard to see where evidence is coming from with regard your statement, evidence as your the stat man
            I've listed all the stats on this thread previously and (for everyone else's sake) I'm not going to do it again just because you can't be bothered to look through the thread to find the justification.
            "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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            • bakes8
              Silver Seat
              • Jan 2014
              • 4561

              #81
              Sweet Jesus. Difference of opinion and we move on?

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              • Alanwycombe
                Silver Seat
                • Feb 2014
                • 2215

                #82
                Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod
                Can tell saturdays win has become just a very distant memory to you this morning Al..
                No more distant than some of the rubbish we've seen. People on here don't agree where he should play so my opinion is as valid as anyone's.

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                • Kevin Mcleod
                  Referee
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 17322

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Alanwycombe
                  No more distant than some of the rubbish we've seen. People on here don't agree where he should play so my opinion is as valid as anyone's.
                  Wasnt on about the opinion of Mass, just noticed that you seem pretty negative with every post today.

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                  • Alanwycombe
                    Silver Seat
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 2215

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod
                    Wasnt on about the opinion of Mass, just noticed that you seem pretty negative with every post today.
                    Not intentional Kev, actually thinking we may have turned a corner but a few things still worry me.

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                    • Kevin Mcleod
                      Referee
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 17322

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Alanwycombe
                      Not intentional Kev, actually thinking we may have turned a corner but a few things still worry me.
                      Thats why i noticed it mate, was unlike you. And i knoe ypu go away so i thought you'd of been still buzzing.
                      Seen so many old school travellers claiming it was the best away day in donkeys years,

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                      • Alanwycombe
                        Silver Seat
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 2215

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod
                        Thats why i noticed it mate, was unlike you. And i knoe ypu go away so i thought you'd of been still buzzing.
                        Seen so many old school travellers claiming it was the best away day in donkeys years,
                        And can you believe........I missed it! Holiday......or gun running/drug dealing if you were to talk to West.

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                        • Kevin Mcleod
                          Referee
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 17322

                          #87
                          Oh no. Hows your luck.

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                          • dave58
                            Gold Seat
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 5285

                            #88
                            Originally posted by nasser95
                            I've listed all the stats on this thread previously and (for everyone else's sake) I'm not going to do it again just because you can't be bothered to look through the thread to find the justification.
                            Oh well i'll just have except that yours is the opinion that matters and your the font of all knowledge, and he's the best midfielder in the Championship!!!!!!!!!!!

                            statistics and dammed lies as someone said

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                            • SammyKojoe
                              Silver Seat
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1451

                              #89
                              He isn't even the best midfielder at our club let alone the league. As well as Mass played Saturday, Parker still pulled the strings in midfield. Ran the game. Stats can't really show you influence and dictation, you just have to watch. Blessing to be fair when he went off.

                              Mass wouldn't even get into people's top 10 midfielders in this league. Has the potential for sure to be a top player at this level but long way off yet.

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                              • brightonr
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 10922

                                #90
                                If the day ever arrives that our midfield are so dominant that we create loads and protect the defence better, then that may be the time to start bigging him up.

                                Best midfielder in the division? You're having a laugh Nas.

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