The Rooney Rule

[dsqpr]

in fact top 10 tallest nations are

Holland
Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Estonia
Finland
Germany
Greece
United States
Australia

In fact not one African country makes it into the top 10 so your argument is pure codswallop

Your logic is codswallop! I'm talking about SHORT races, not TALL ones! The only way to debunk my argument is to prove that SHORT races ARE properly represented in the NBA. (In other words, I'm not saying the NBA is racist FOR tall people, I'm saying it is racist AGAINST short people - and that is not the same thing. In other words, they don't necessary INCLUDE the tallest races but they do EXCLUDE the shortest ones.)

Or to say that there is another reason that short people are under represened, which is of course the case, as I said in my previous post.

[Awin]

Height and race are two separate issues even you can see that,,, you are hue that small races being unfepresented is racist and yet clearly shorter players cannot slam dunk.. It clearly isn't the same argument as football

[dsqpr]

Height and race are two separate issues even you can see that,,, you are hue that small races being unfepresented is racist and yet clearly shorter players cannot slam dunk.. It clearly isn't the same argument as football

But race and height are CORRELATED! That is the key point. It is an argument that is used often - for example, it is the reason women don't have to pass the same tests as men to become soldiers or policemen, for example - because there is a CORRELATION between gender and strength. Surely even you can see that.

Smaller players and basketball is a pretty obvious example which is why I used it. In football, the issues may be much more subtle. But nevertheless, there may be genetic reasons why some races are better players and/or better managers than other races and THAT may be the reason those races are statistically over represented in football.

[nasser95]

ds, the issue with your argument is that short players are not represented because they aren't of the right build to play that sport. Despite that, what you see is that there are a few extremely talented individuals who are significantly shorter than most in the league and they make it because their inherent ability makes their height a limited factor. The difference between basketball and football is that the element of height actually has an effect on the quality of players. There is a correlation between performance and height in general. Discrimination isn't what its called because the quality of the player is affected by their height (In general). There is absolutely no correlation however between race and managerial skill in football. There isn't even enough data to prove that white managers are better than black managers or vice versa because there haven't been a significant amount of black managers within the sport (certainly in the UK) to get enough data to validate the information.

[72bus]

glad i'm not in this debate its gone right over my head .... keep it simple

[QPRDave]

glad i'm not in this debate its gone right over my head .... keep it simple

One or two trying to be clever 72.....

Question should be is how many English,.. not British..... English, managers are working in the Prem...don't see any hand wringers calling for quotas there

[lymehoop]

One or two trying to be clever 72.....

Question should be is how many English,.. not British..... English, managers are working in the Prem...don't see any hand wringers calling for quotas there

WHU v. Newcastle Dave, 3 English players, majority African, the game was shite

[Rangers77]

Black people have no problem becoming players. No one stops them. They should have no problem becoming managers. No one stops them.

[nasser95]

Black people have no problem becoming players. No one stops them. They should have no problem becoming managers. No one stops them.

This is absolutely untrue. The whole argument is that there is institutional racism that stops them getting roles beyond being a player.

[brightonr]

One or two trying to be clever 72.....

Question should be is how many English,.. not British..... English, managers are working in the Prem...don't see any hand wringers calling for quotas there

What would there be to complain about Dave, without it appearing a ridiculous argument?

Think you've summed it up rather well.

Genuinely cannot think of a single chairman that would not want to employ a successful black manager. Although if I were a chairman, being successful, honest, hard working etc., would be pre-requisites of employing someone. I can safely say that the colour of their skin would not play even the tiniest part in the decision.

[nasser95]

What would there be to complain about Dave, without it appearing a ridiculous argument?

Think you've summed it up rather well.

Genuinely cannot think of a single chairman that would not want to employ a successful black manager. Although if I were a chairman, being successful, honest, hard working etc., would be pre-requisites of employing someone. I can safely say that the colour of their skin would not play even the tiniest part in the decision.

This is true but the issue is that they don't get the opportunity to prove themselves. Hence, they don't get a chance to really become 'successful' and gain the pre-requisites needed.

[Hove Ranger]

Not sure where I lie in regards to the Rooney rule but some interesting points being made... And some rather strange ones too

[Awin]

Interesting that you mentioned players and once again I refer to soccernomics as there used to be inherent racism in the playing staff.. Everton being a prime example of an almost exclusively white team, economics eventually changed that as it was cheaper to pick up black players relatively cheaply compared to their white counterparts .. Over time more black players were signed due to their price and eventually the status quo regards costs and wages was restored. As per my previous post this is not so easily and readily tested with managers as it was with players and thus the racism (however unintentional) exists today,

[Stanley]

Ok, so as you're now broadening it out, for argument's sake let us assume an organisation is institutionally racist (any organisation, not just a footballing body). How would you then tackle that problem (which is what Rooney's Rule is attempting to achieve)?

With education.

Education alone...with no legislation of any sort? Do you honestly think that's realistic?

[acricketer]

Just caught a glimpse of "race and height" in the thread..time for Dr. Mengele.