The Championship

[silvercue]

Has everyone forgotten that we have some of the richest owners in football?

Have they given any indication they are going to stop spending if we go down?
I'm personally looking forward to more of the 3 o'clock kick offs on a Saturday.

We have no idea what they are going to spend, so we cannot rely on that. Firstly, I am not sure what money is behind us and what those money men want to dedicate to QPR. This year we spent big, but that may have been viewed as a gamble worth taking to make sure we are in the PL next year - in other words an investment.

We know TF can't afford this, so the money men may have thought we would recover the costs by staying up. If we go down you never know what will happen with investment.

[Shania]

This thread is depressing

Dont understand people being happy returning to the Championship

Dreading it tbh

How true!! Please, letīs hope the fotball-gods will help us avoid the drop.

I seem to remember the infighting when we played in the CC and div. 1 just too well. So beware,those were far from the glory days..

[dsqpr]

Just to be clear, nobody will be happy about us returning to the Championship, or getting relegated. Nobody. This thread was just trying to brighten our dim outlook a bit by looking at some of the positives. And there are some positives, as described above. That doesn't mean we want to be relegated, FFS!

[QPR71]

We have no idea what they are going to spend, so we cannot rely on that. Firstly, I am not sure what money is behind us and what those money men want to dedicate to QPR. This year we spent big, but that may have been viewed as a gamble worth taking to make sure we are in the PL next year - in other words an investment.

We know TF can't afford this, so the money men may have thought we would recover the costs by staying up. If we go down you never know what will happen with investment.

do we know TF cant afford this?
1. TF being a business man will know that the money put into the club remains as an asset. other words..put say Ģ60 mill in, its probably appreciated to more. its a highly saleable asset backed investment.
land prices in West london will rise.
2. TF as far as im aware owns 22%. so that latest Ģ20 mill outlay is Ģ4mill to TF. ... again in an asset backed commodity...unless anyone thinks Samba and Remy have no value.
That Ģ4 mill investment represents about 1.25% of TF's apparent personal wealth. this takes no account of future earnings.
Financial risk analysis would state that 1.25% would be a cautious investment espescially in an asset back investment. The money for instance on Remy is not spent but transferred from
cash to a highly liquid commodity.

[dsqpr]

TF has said that he has a business plan in place for if we are relegated and call me naive if you want to, but I believe him. So long as he is 100% behind us, which he seems to be at the moment, I think we will be fine. With everything he has done for the club, he has earned my trust.

That does NOT mean I am not concerned about the current financial situation though.

[jfish]

do we know TF cant afford this?
1. TF being a business man will know that the money put into the club remains as an asset. other words..put say Ģ60 mill in, its probably appreciated to more. its a highly saleable asset backed investment.
land prices in West london will rise.
2. TF as far as im aware owns 22%. so that latest Ģ20 mill outlay is Ģ4mill to TF. ... again in an asset backed commodity...unless anyone thinks Samba and Remy have no value.
That Ģ4 mill investment represents about 1.25% of TF's apparent personal wealth. this takes no account of future earnings.
Financial risk analysis would state that 1.25% would be a cautious investment espescially in an asset back investment. The money for instance on Remy is not spent but transferred from
cash to a highly liquid commodity.

Like it!!

[Ginger Ninja]

do we know TF cant afford this?
1. TF being a business man will know that the money put into the club remains as an asset. other words..put say Ģ60 mill in, its probably appreciated to more. its a highly saleable asset backed investment.
land prices in West london will rise.
2. TF as far as im aware owns 22%. so that latest Ģ20 mill outlay is Ģ4mill to TF. ... again in an asset backed commodity...unless anyone thinks Samba and Remy have no value.
That Ģ4 mill investment represents about 1.25% of TF's apparent personal wealth. this takes no account of future earnings.
Financial risk analysis would state that 1.25% would be a cautious investment espescially in an asset back investment. The money for instance on Remy is not spent but transferred from
cash to a highly liquid commodity.

I havent got a scooby what you just said but i like it!

[MattyRangers]

I havent got a scooby what you just said but i like it!

[silvercue]

do we know TF cant afford this?
1. TF being a business man will know that the money put into the club remains as an asset. other words..put say Ģ60 mill in, its probably appreciated to more. its a highly saleable asset backed investment.
land prices in West london will rise.
2. TF as far as im aware owns 22%. so that latest Ģ20 mill outlay is Ģ4mill to TF. ... again in an asset backed commodity...unless anyone thinks Samba and Remy have no value.
That Ģ4 mill investment represents about 1.25% of TF's apparent personal wealth. this takes no account of future earnings.
Financial risk analysis would state that 1.25% would be a cautious investment espescially in an asset back investment. The money for instance on Remy is not spent but transferred from
cash to a highly liquid commodity.

Yes, TF's estimated wealth is well documented. The point I am making is that he can't afford it on his own.

1. The money put in this Jan was a gamble so as not to lose out on the 57% increase in TV money next year. Simple as that. It was a high risk move that may or may not pay off. You can believe he had another, far more mysterious strategy if you want, but that was the top and bottom of it. It was a high risk investment. With relegation clause in their contracts there is less likely to be profit making opportunities from resale. Also, the wages we will pay (which are enourmous) is sunk cash.

2. Firstly, your maths are wrong as TF is not worth that much money. Try not to get $ and Ģs mixed up. You are forgetting the huge salaries and the fact that no other club ouitside the top can afford wages like that, so it is bankrolled. Again you have missed the point entirely. I said TF can't afford it - you are involving all the other unquantified backers....that may lose interest after the 2nd year in the championship.

TF can afford to be our owner, but on his own his simply cannot afford the spending we have recently seen. It was a strategy to stay up - if it fails some people will lose a lot of money and they may get put off by that. I hope our backers continue to invest, but to blindly think TF has bottomless pockets is naive. TF has already given mixed messages including one that said he would walk if he can't fix it.

I love the guy and hope we succeed, but lets get in th real world - we are enough of a laughing stock already.

[theblackmafia.]

do we know TF cant afford this?
1. TF being a business man will know that the money put into the club remains as an asset. other words..put say Ģ60 mill in, its probably appreciated to more. its a highly saleable asset backed investment.
land prices in West london will rise.
2. TF as far as im aware owns 22%. so that latest Ģ20 mill outlay is Ģ4mill to TF. ... again in an asset backed commodity...unless anyone thinks Samba and Remy have no value.
That Ģ4 mill investment represents about 1.25% of TF's apparent personal wealth. this takes no account of future earnings.
Financial risk analysis would state that 1.25% would be a cautious investment espescially in an asset back investment. The money for instance on Remy is not spent but transferred from
cash to a highly liquid commodity.

Do what?! Remy and Samba do have a resale value but if they underperform and we are relegated their value depreciates meaning TF's investment in them is high risk and not a clever strategy....to speculate to accumulate is a nonsense business idea unless you have financial wealth to write of potential losses.

[QPRDave]

Remy'll only be fit for Findus lasagne

[QPR71]

Do what?! Remy and Samba do have a resale value but if they underperform and we are relegated their value depreciates meaning TF's investment in them is high risk and not a clever strategy....to speculate to accumulate is a nonsense business idea unless you have financial wealth to write of potential losses.

what business is there that doesnt speculate to accumulate or that has no risk....id love to know cos i like the sound of it....
the only sure fire way i know to go backwards is not to speculate....leave your cash in the bank and allow inflation to halve
its real value (even with interest added) in 20 years.
buying players is high risk and not clever?...perhaps the board, ie not just TF,
should have bought nobody...would that be smart?

remy and samba's resale value falls if qpr are relegated?....first, would the market decide it was their fault and devalue them...probably not.
second..if they did fall by halve, which is unlikely, TF would have lost 0.62% of his personal wealth...that is a business investment loss ratio
guaranteed to lead to eventual success unless someone is a complete *****.. even these losses are mitigated by the income of the business
ie the revenue from sky etc.....also accounts principles such as tax breaks for 'depreciating assets' help further.

if the worst happens, then parachute payments on top of championship and all other revenues further help to protect the investment.

as TF put it....he is an accountant

[theblackmafia.]

what business is there that doesnt speculate to accumulate or that has no risk....id love to know cos i like the sound of it....
the only sure fire way i know to go backwards is not to speculate....leave your cash in the bank and allow inflation to halve
its real value (even with interest added) in 20 years.
buying players is high risk and not clever?...perhaps the board, ie not just TF,
should have bought nobody...would that be smart?

remy and samba's resale value falls if qpr are relegated?....first, would the market decide it was their fault and devalue them...probably not.
second..if they did fall by halve, which is unlikely, TF would have lost 0.62% of his personal wealth...that is a business investment loss ratio
guaranteed to lead to eventual success unless someone is a complete *****.. even these losses are mitigated by the income of the business
ie the revenue from sky etc.....also accounts principles such as tax breaks for 'depreciating assets' help further.

if the worst happens, then parachute payments on top of championship and all other revenues further help to protect the investment.

as TF put it....he is an accountant

I know you're trying to sound clever but unless you're a complete ***** nobody would 'speculate to accumulate' without being able to cover the potential losses, which is why a lot of new businesses fail within the first 2 years....do I throw money into my business hoping it may resolve my balance sheet? No, coz unless you want to further your problem you restructure and minimise your P&L deficits. Being wiser on expenditure gives you a fighting chance; not spending more money, again, unless you can easily cover the losses.

[theblackmafia.]

what business is there that doesnt speculate to accumulate or that has no risk....id love to know cos i like the sound of it....
the only sure fire way i know to go backwards is not to speculate....leave your cash in the bank and allow inflation to halve
its real value (even with interest added) in 20 years.
buying players is high risk and not clever?...perhaps the board, ie not just TF,
should have bought nobody...would that be smart?

remy and samba's resale value falls if qpr are relegated?....first, would the market decide it was their fault and devalue them...probably not.
second..if they did fall by halve, which is unlikely, TF would have lost 0.62% of his personal wealth...that is a business investment loss ratio
guaranteed to lead to eventual success unless someone is a complete *****.. even these losses are mitigated by the income of the business
ie the revenue from sky etc.....also accounts principles such as tax breaks for 'depreciating assets' help further.

if the worst happens, then parachute payments on top of championship and all other revenues further help to protect the investment.

as TF put it....he is an accountant

...oh, please explain how you know TF's financial wealth to be able to state his 0.62% potential personal loss?!...do you really believe that if Remy fails to score or score 1 or 2 goals that his resale value would be the same as we paid, likewise Samba's; if he carries on peforming like he did against Swansea then his value to will decrease, plus the added advantage other teams have other relegated teams in their knowledge that we would need to sell to be able to balance our books, or improve or balance sheet.

You clearly overstate TF's wealth if you believe he can afford to lose a few million in transfer fees, not to mention the decrease in income from the Premiership, plus smaller gate income if we don't perform well in the Championship, shareholders considering their positions, sponsers income reducing, new sponsers offering less...the list can go on and on.

[theblackmafia.]

Anyway, we'll stay up and this will all be forgotten!