LSA Statement

[paulmason]

I understand the away fan bit, I just didn't see why anyone would be picking on Japanese tourists who want to come along

Do you not think that people in the QPR home ends should be QPR fans only or do you think it does not matter who sits where and what if the guy from Japan was a Liverpool fan, Man U fan or Chelsea fan and was only going because we were playing them ?

[Ric-Roc]

I understand the away fan bit, I just didn't see why anyone would be picking on Japanese tourists who want to come along

Totally agree mate. Anyone who starts on a jap tourist who's come to watch a game is a liberty taker.

[paulmason]

Totally agree mate. Anyone who starts on a jap tourist who's come to watch a game is a liberty taker.

agree 100%, but surely there needs to be an area like the lower school end, where these tourists or what ever you want to call them would go, like they do at Fulham.

[James1979]

lower school end it should be then.

[W12_Ranger]

Problem that I see with with QPR fans groups is that there are too many egos to seem to make things work harmoniously

If fans can unanimously boycott the club shop it would send out a clear message, I mean how ****ing hard can it be to avoid spending anymore money in the place than what we already are. Trouble is too many fans need to have the kit or a silly scarf so it will never work. In the ground fans can't seem to avoid a manky pukka pie or **** like lager...it really isn't difficult to avoid spending money somewhere for a couple of hours which is robbing you blind in the first place...still many won't manage it.

[stanleymarsh]

Do you not think that people in the QPR home ends should be QPR fans only or do you think it does not matter who sits where and what if the guy from Japan was a Liverpool fan, Man U fan or Chelsea fan and was only going because we were playing them ?

Not really. I go and watch sport on holiday and wouldn't like to think I was banned because I wasn't a fan.
A tourist who supports the away team would be an away fan. Don't see why neutrals can't get in.

[WeAreQPR12]

I think if you was to take away the yorkshire wrap from Pete, it would be like taking the milk bottle away from a baby.

[Ric-Roc]

Problem that I see with with QPR fans groups is that there are too many egos to seem to make things work harmoniously

If fans can unanimously boycott the club shop it would send out a clear message, I mean how ****ing hard can it be to avoid spending anymore money in the place than what we already are. Trouble is too many fans need to have the kit or a silly scarf so it will never work. In the ground fans can't seem to avoid a manky pukka pie or **** like lager...it really isn't difficult to avoid spending money somewhere for a couple of hours which is robbing you blind in the first place...still many won't manage it.

Spot on.

Anyone who can't avoid eating for an hour & a half needs help.
All our newbie first time fans will be flocking the club shop though for there first bobble hat or jersey so that will go against us.

[themodfather]

the fan groups did work well together, and regularly met with the club
i'm sure lsa, friends of qpr, akutr,qpr 1st,osc (maybe lfw) indy r's , watrbs
all met with club
as all have some input and points of view....

of those 2 were travel clubs, 1 a fanzine, 1 for shareholders,3 mbs...osc maybe do a bit of everything!
"we are qpr" was an umbrella group thing too that raised £35k approx for cureton and that worked well.

there should be different view points...how do i understand the need of say a wheelchair user unless someone who knows gives that opinion?
there have always been those itk or close to players/club and likely always will be.

[Jeffro]

Thats all im saying, as it stands right now all these silly sunday meetings with 35 people turning up, probably more intereseted in a sunday pi ss up, aint going to work.

[Bigsteve]

From my perspective (and speaking as an ex LSA member of many years standing), the LSA do have somewhat of an image problem. Now, I'm no spring chicken but to these eyes, the LSA membership does seem to be largely centred around a 45 - 60 year old demographic, possibly the result of the original set up of the LSA back in 1987 - offering decent coach travel and a nice beer every now and then. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

It does, in my view, need modernisation to make the Club take the organisation more seriously and gain greater media exposure. Is there anyone within the LSA organising links with local and national journo's, banging home the message via Facebook & Twitter etc as well as the LSA website. Reaching and retaining new members etc etc....with be far easier to manage with PL exposure and wider interest with the nationals.

The LSA still has a big profile and recognition factor within the larger fanbase but really need to make it work for them, and the club.

This is in no way slating the LSA or the excellent community initiatives they assist with but perhaps it's time to look at a big picture?

Hi Nodge,

As an LSA Committee Member I have been reading your and everyone elses comments on this thread with great interest and would like to clarify/mention a few things.

The LSA statement is to advise it's own members only, as an independent group we can only advise our own members. If other supporters groups/messageboards wish to advise their members to do the same that is up to them.

The LSA is in no way trying to undermine or 'insult' the OSC and the good work they do. We would like to be working alongside them along with all the fans groups to open constructive dialogue with the club but as the club seem reluctant to answer questions asked them by the OSC is there any point in using the OSC as the go between between fans groups and the club.

Re your point about Facebook/Twitter, I have already put this to the committee (I may be 40 something but I know about these things) and hope to have these up and running very soon. Also we hope to have a revamp of the LSA website and keep this as up to date as possible.

The LSA membership does now comprise of quite a few members under the age of 25 and we need to keep them onboard as the future of the LSA.

Taking my LSA hat off now, everyone is probably right that the LSA advice is not going to have any effect. Maybe if everyone did it they might take some notice. My personal opinion though is that only direct in your face action to cause them maximum embarrassment will have any effect and if they don't start acknowledging the fans soon it can only be a matter of time.

Steve C.

[Nodge70]

Hi Nodge,

As an LSA Committee Member I have been reading your and everyone elses comments on this thread with great interest and would like to clarify/mention a few things.

The LSA statement is to advise it's own members only, as an independent group we can only advise our own members. If other supporters groups/messageboards wish to advise their members to do the same that is up to them.

The LSA is in no way trying to undermine or 'insult' the OSC and the good work they do. We would like to be working alongside them along with all the fans groups to open constructive dialogue with the club but as the club seem reluctant to answer questions asked them by the OSC is there any point in using the OSC as the go between between fans groups and the club.

Re your point about Facebook/Twitter, I have already put this to the committee (I may be 40 something but I know about these things) and hope to have these up and running very soon. Also we hope to have a revamp of the LSA website and keep this as up to date as possible.

The LSA membership does now comprise of quite a few members under the age of 25 and we need to keep them onboard as the future of the LSA.

Taking my LSA hat off now, everyone is probably right that the LSA advice is not going to have any effect. Maybe if everyone did it they might take some notice. My personal opinion though is that only direct in your face action to cause them maximum embarrassment will have any effect and if they don't start acknowledging the fans soon it can only be a matter of time.

Steve C.

Steve - thanks for answering - much appreciated. What were that LSA committee's thoughts on trying to get a member on to the OSC committee? Surely it's better influence from the inside rather than lob bottles over the gate?

[IsleworthRanger]

Hi Nodge,

As an LSA Committee Member I have been reading your and everyone elses comments on this thread with great interest and would like to clarify/mention a few things.

The LSA statement is to advise it's own members only, as an independent group we can only advise our own members. If other supporters groups/messageboards wish to advise their members to do the same that is up to them.

The LSA is in no way trying to undermine or 'insult' the OSC and the good work they do. We would like to be working alongside them along with all the fans groups to open constructive dialogue with the club but as the club seem reluctant to answer questions asked them by the OSC is there any point in using the OSC as the go between between fans groups and the club.

Re your point about Facebook/Twitter, I have already put this to the committee (I may be 40 something but I know about these things) and hope to have these up and running very soon. Also we hope to have a revamp of the LSA website and keep this as up to date as possible.

The LSA membership does now comprise of quite a few members under the age of 25 and we need to keep them onboard as the future of the LSA.

Taking my LSA hat off now, everyone is probably right that the LSA advice is not going to have any effect. Maybe if everyone did it they might take some notice. My personal opinion though is that only direct in your face action to cause them maximum embarrassment will have any effect and if they don't start acknowledging the fans soon it can only be a matter of time.

Steve C.

Very well put Steve

[Tracy]

Thats all im saying, as it stands right now all these silly sunday meetings with 35 people turning up, probably more intereseted in a sunday pi ss up, aint going to work.

Hi Jeffro, there were 15 fans in attendance yesterday, my daughter, my cousin and myself included. There were some there not drinking at all (including the marvelous John Reid who was chairing the meeting) and on an afternoon which was father's day, I suspect a few of those there had family things going on but made the effort to turn up anyway.

The mood was one of discontentment, a feeling of being disenfranchised from one's own club, and disappointment even. To my mind (and many others I suspect) the biggest worry at the moment is that a new younger generation of fans are going to miss out on seeing the R's playing Prem football which is a great shame.

There was a feeling amongst those yesterday that it probably would be best to wait until the start of the new season to see how things pan out (and obviously when it's easier to gage supporter reaction) with relation to any kind of direct action.

Sad state of affairs really but hey ho, that's top flight football today. Oh, and my **** head daughter and cuzz enjoyed a couple of pints later but sadly I had to make do with shandy

[Jeffro]

15 fans , thats my point its not going to happen.

I do not know what the answer is tracy, but lets stop buying anything, for starters as it makes a point and also costs them money , rather than having these "hot air" meetings.

Where nothing ever gets decided.