My theory on why we are so bad!

[topperharley]

As most on this site know i think Marti is a poor manager that plays negative football , be glad when he goes. We only start playing when we are 2 down and by then it's too late. If we lose to Cardiff and Oxford , it's goodbye to the Championship.

We're on a poor run and it needs fixing, we've gone from mid table security nudging play offs to looking at yet another relegation scrap if a couple of weeks of results go against us and we continue this dip. But it's not that bad, we're 7 points clear and the teams below us are just as irregular, i think we're safe but another 6 points would be lovely.

I do not think Marti is poor, I think he's a good manager that's trying too hard. He's had plenty of good games and has made plenty of good decisions. Perhaps when he gets something right he gets ahead of himself thinking he's the next Pep. I've liked him better than any of our previous managers since Neil, with the exception of the snakes spell at the top. Yeah, he's frustatingly cautious when it's clear we are better on the front foot, but i'd be sticking for a while yet.

[72bus]

I know marti has injuries to deal with but Saturdays formation was shocking.
I'd also like to see Colback fined for turning his back on the stoke shot that caused us conceding a goal , he's not paid to turn his back he's paid to face up , man up and tackle .

[Abseits]

We're on a poor run and it needs fixing, we've gone from mid table security nudging play offs to looking at yet another relegation scrap if a couple of weeks of results go against us and we continue this dip. But it's not that bad, we're 7 points clear and the teams below us are just as irregular, i think we're safe but another 6 points would be lovely.

I do not think Marti is poor, I think he's a good manager that's trying too hard. He's had plenty of good games and has made plenty of good decisions. Perhaps when he gets something right he gets ahead of himself thinking he's the next Pep. I've liked him better than any of our previous managers since Neil, with the exception of the snakes spell at the top. Yeah, he's frustatingly cautious when it's clear we are better on the front foot, but i'd be sticking for a while yet.

I can't agree with that. Obviously it's a subjective view but I scanned down this season's 39 league games and rated them as GOOD - ACCEPTABLE - AWFUL.

I came up with 7 Good un's and 13 Awful ones.

I didn't look at just WDL, I thought about performance, intensity, entertainment and "feel good" at watching the 90 mins irrespective of the result. Indeed, I viewed draws with Watford and Leeds as "Good" due to our overall performance in those games.

All teams can have an off day, a poor run, a "bad day at the office" but Marti has far too many diabolical pisspoor no-shows in which we are simply dull and insipid to watch and far too easy to beat.

Saturday's effort was a catastrophic shambles in every respect - I don't think it was even L2 standard from us. This thread on the Stokey board pretty much sums it up too:

https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/316431/qpr-team-who-get-sucked

I've got my ticket for Saturday, I'll get behind the team but when the dust settles I can't unsee or forget a dozen+ shitshows that have happened under Marti this season.

[Shania]

As most on this site know i think Marti is a poor manager that plays negative football , be glad when he goes. We only start playing when we are 2 down and by then it's too late. If we lose to Cardiff and Oxford , it's goodbye to the Championship.

If you are correct I can only see us appointing an even worse one so be careful what you wish for.

[WeAreQPR12]

Marti has turned us around nicely after looking relegated. Players have definitely downed tools since the playoffs became a distant memory. Where we're currently at, we are extremely lucky to have a manager of Marti's calibre

[Harrow QPR]

If you are correct I can only see us appointing an even worse one so be careful what you wish for.

Can we do any worse YES. We might do better though. I just don't think Marti is the man , he's had nearly 2 seasons now and we look a poor side playing crap football.

[Harrow QPR]

Marti has turned us around nicely after looking relegated. Players have definitely downed tools since the playoffs became a distant memory. Where we're currently at, we are extremely lucky to have a manager of Marti's calibre

He is the one that put us in the relegation places in the first place. If the players have downed tools when we are dropping like a stone it is up to Marti to sort it out. One question are you happy with Marti's style of football ? Sit back go behind then start playing when it's too late.

[Abseits]

If you are correct I can only see us appointing an even worse one so be careful what you wish for.

With that logic we shouldn't sign any players either. It's close, but I reckon our track record of appointing managers is very slightly better than signing players..

There are many aspects of the modern game that I don't understand. Maybe the idea of giving a manager 3+ years to do their stuff is outdated now? Watford chew through managers at an alarming rate but over the past decade they've had promotions and have never flirted with bottom half of the Championship.

I freely admit I have no idea what managers actually do all week. I have a gut feeling that modern pros are largely a law unto themselves and a good manager is someone who can keep them all happy, y'know, a happy workforce is a productive workforce. Our players do not look happy. They look cheesed off to me. I personally dont buy into Marti so its not a stretch for me to think some players dont either.

[topperharley]

I can't agree with that. Obviously it's a subjective view but I scanned down this season's 39 league games and rated them as GOOD - ACCEPTABLE - AWFUL.

I came up with 7 Good un's and 13 Awful ones.

I didn't look at just WDL, I thought about performance, intensity, entertainment and "feel good" at watching the 90 mins irrespective of the result. Indeed, I viewed draws with Watford and Leeds as "Good" due to our overall performance in those games.

All teams can have an off day, a poor run, a "bad day at the office" but Marti has far too many diabolical pisspoor no-shows in which we are simply dull and insipid to watch and far too easy to beat.

Saturday's effort was a catastrophic shambles in every respect - I don't think it was even L2 standard from us. This thread on the Stokey board pretty much sums it up too:

https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/316431/qpr-team-who-get-sucked

I've got my ticket for Saturday, I'll get behind the team but when the dust settles I can't unsee or forget a dozen+ shitshows that have happened under Marti this season.

You go to games regularly, and i don't so i'll accept that point readily.

But I would counter with which of our previous managers since Wanock's glory days have you enjoyed watching? Warbs had his moments, Beale certainly did. Redknapp gave us Wembley but i almost feel it's unfair to compare them because of the money he had.

Sad state of affairs but we've pretty crap to watch more often than not for a while now. From the games I've personally seen, without recalling each one, i'd say it's about even #### poor, average and good. Which i feel is a fair representation of where we are at. Didn't watch Stoke but sounded terrible.

[Shania]

With that logic we shouldn't sign any players either. It's close, but I reckon our track record of appointing managers is very slightly better than signing players..

There are many aspects of the modern game that I don't understand. Maybe the idea of giving a manager 3+ years to do their stuff is outdated now? Watford chew through managers at an alarming rate but over the past decade they've had promotions and have never flirted with bottom half of the Championship.

I freely admit I have no idea what managers actually do all week. I have a gut feeling that modern pros are largely a law unto themselves and a good manager is someone who can keep them all happy, y'know, a happy workforce is a productive workforce. Our players do not look happy. They look cheesed off to me. I personally dont buy into Marti so it's not a stretch for me to think some players dont either.

I see what you mean I think, but maybe it`s just all the injuries which have changed the way some regards Marti? I don`t know, just a thought.

[Martinmalta]

No excuses for a bad performance. But even the best teams all over the world will struggle with seven or eight regulars missing.

[LoftusRoadLad]

We will have a "why are we so good" thread coming. It can't come sooner nuff for me !!

[Darkranger]

Strange, strange team.
This season we've gone from being very poor, to exceptional and back to very poor again.
Obviously injuries have had a major impact this season, and it has highlighted just how much we've come to rely on certain individuals.

A few times this season I've stated how I like this group of players and how their attitude is much better than previous seasons, I'm starting to think I may have got a bit carried away. We seem to have players who have unexplained injuries(Celar has decided he'd rather join Taylor Richards on the Ps5 than kick another ball for us), players looking as if they can't be bothered when they do play or players clearly thinking about where their future lies and not wishing to get injured between now and the end of the season.

Once again the end of the season cannot come soon enough.

[Abseits]

No excuses for a bad performance. But even the best teams all over the world will struggle with seven or eight regulars missing.

I went to Sheff Utd in August. We drew 2-2 after playing most of 2nd half with 10 men following Colback's sending off. We looked the more enterprising team and but for a sluggish start we could well have won.

The only members of the starting XI that day missing from game at Stoke on Saturday were: Cook, JCS, Frey and Field. Yes, we are probably a better team with those four, but is that really a valid excuse for the total codswallop we saw against Stoke?

JCS has been absent virtually all season, bummer, but we ought to have adjusted to life without him.
Cook has been crocked mostly all calendar year. With Edwards, Dunne, Fox and Morrison available we should be able to cope.
To me, Field and Colback are interchangeable so I didn't see Sammy's absence as a killer blow, particularly given he's had a lot of suboptimal performance himself this season.
Frey was missed given he's our only viable striker but given his overall fitness/minutes/appearances record it's kinda known he'll miss 40% of games.

Anyway, 6 months and a transfer window between those games. I'd say having 7 players starting both is about as settled/consistent as you could expect. Anyway, my point is this: injuries are not an excuse. They are a hurdle ALL teams in this division are constantly dealing with. One thing though, as mentioned above with Celar... I do agree with the notion that cheesed off disgruntled players are more likely to sag off sick with random knocks, strains and "tightness".

[Shania]

I love this club but now too often dislike our players. Strange situation!