Well Done Mark Warburton

[rodman]

Finally a manager that makes Holloway look like a tactical genius.

Well done.

[Harrow QPR]

Finally a manager that makes Holloway look like a tactical genius.

Well done.

Have you noticed when we get a throw in . We don't look like we've got a clue who to throw it to , it's like they have'nt even been coached the basics.
The substitutions today were absolutely baffling , it was exactly the same tactics with like for like players . He never changes formation , why would he expect different results , most good managers can see if it's not working and change tactics to influence the game.

[Hope & Faith]

Have you noticed when we get a throw in . We don't look like we've got a clue who to throw it to , it's like they have'nt even been coached the basics.
The substitutions today were absolutely baffling , it was exactly the same tactics with like for like players . He never changes formation , why would he expect different results , most good managers can see if it's not working and change tactics to influence the game.

Imho, this “no plan B” which some quote is a throwaway line.

By defenition, playing a 5/3 at the back means that the formation is always changing. The wingbacks (note - no longer fullbacks) slide up and down the line; defending one minute, attacking the next. The midfiled then adapts, covers and squeezes accordingly.

it sounds easy, but is very difficult in reality. Not least because the wingbacks get physicallystressed - hence the injuries.

It also means that you need to play out from the back, and you need a certain type of goalkeeper (a la Man City) to do this. Again, onLy Dieng really does this. With the injuries and new keeprs, our effectiveness and confidence playingout has been reduced.

So, Warbuton systems and tactics are to be admired. Wether we have playersto carry them out is another thing…

[Hope & Faith]

But 'plan b' doesn't just mean changing the formation. It means changing anything when things aren't working. That includes abandoning the tippy-tappy football at the back when we can't cope with a high press. It also includes changing player's attitudes when they aren't giving 100% and using subs effectively.

But we have reduced the ‘tippy tippy’ - the result being that we have played more longer balls, bypassing the midfield into empty space, because we have only 1 up front.

invariably, the lack of tippy happy means we actually give the ball away more in the final third. A 4-4-2 would help, but not without fit strikers.

A rock and a hard place, with a limited squad. We have actually over achievers, imho.

[72bus]

It's gone wrong because of injuries , bad substitutes , personnel that aren't good enough to carry out managers instructions , slow build up play allowing opposition to get into shape , lack of belief... manager refusing to change tactics , manager not knowing his best team
l could go on . It isn't just one reason why we are losing games it's all the above and more . I'd like to know why he replaced Andre gray with Austin . When did Charlie last score or more to the point when did Charlie last look like he might score

[72bus]

Warburton explained: “We needed someone to get on the ball. It was pinging around and we didn’t take care of the football.

“Andre (Gray) has played 90, 77 and 90 minutes and been great for us. We’ve got to be careful. When they haven’t played that much football for a long time all that happens is they go into fatigue.

“We’ve suffered (with injuries) this season and have suffered again with Chris Willock and David Marshall, and we had Lee Wallace out for weeks and Sam McCallum having surgery – you’ve got to be so careful.

“We’ve got an outstanding medical team. You can ignore them, but if you do you do so at your peril. So that was the Andre Gray situation."


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Warburton Waffle

[stanistheman]

But we have reduced the ‘tippy tippy’ - the result being that we have played more longer balls, bypassing the midfield into empty space, because we have only 1 up front.

invariably, the lack of tippy happy means we actually give the ball away more in the final third. A 4-4-2 would help, but not without fit strikers.

A rock and a hard place, with a limited squad. We have actually over achievers, imho.

And whose fault is it that we don’t play a
4-4-2 formation?

he should have kept Gray on to play alongside Austin by taking off Sanderson who had a very poor game. If he kept to his ‘Gray needed a rest’ reasoning then he should give an U23 striker a place on the bench (this is what most Championship sides do, apart from those with bigger quality squads).

Warburton is full of waffle and excuses for why we are struggling - 6 defeats in 8. It looks like he has run out of his limited ideas.

[Abseits]

Have you noticed when we get a throw in . We don't look like we've got a clue who to throw it to , it's like they have'nt even been coached the basics.
The substitutions today were absolutely baffling , it was exactly the same tactics with like for like players . He never changes formation , why would he expect different results , most good managers can see if it's not working and change tactics to influence the game.

This has long been a gripe of mine. What's worse is they tend to throw it very haphazardly AT the player rather than TO the player. Player ends up trying to trap the ball with his goolies and needs a couple of touches to bring ball under control so ends up getting closed down or dispossessed. Why not practice throwing ball to feet, preferably the player's favourite foot. Given you can't be offside from a throw-in a they can be a potent tool for getting defences turned or on the back foot , but like you say, we don't seem to have a clue what to do when we get a throw in.

[Harrow QPR]

Imho, this “no plan B” which some quote is a throwaway line.

By defenition, playing a 5/3 at the back means that the formation is always changing. The wingbacks (note - no longer fullbacks) slide up and down the line; defending one minute, attacking the next. The midfiled then adapts, covers and squeezes accordingly.

it sounds easy, but is very difficult in reality. Not least because the wingbacks get physicallystressed - hence the injuries.

It also means that you need to play out from the back, and you need a certain type of goalkeeper (a la Man City) to do this. Again, onLy Dieng really does this. With the injuries and new keeprs, our effectiveness and confidence playingout has been reduced.

So, Warbuton systems and tactics are to be admired. Wether we have playersto carry them out is another thing…

My point about 5/3 at the back is that it is negative , when playing poor sides at home , we don't need 5 defenders , we could have an extra body in midfield or play with 2 strikers , if we have play off ambitions we should be dominating teams at home.
We can also pass the ball around with just 2 centre halves and 2 decent full backs , it does'nt mean you have to hoof it, you quoted Man city , they pass but play 433 , with full backs that get forward all game , so you don't need wingbacks to do that.
To get a team to play a certain way , takes good coaching and Warburton does'nt offer that. He picked to play that way christmas time last season because we were conceding 2 or 3 goals every game and he was nearly sacked for it , it was a last resort , then we signed a few players on loan in the January window and our results changed and we played some decent football. We carried that form over into the start of this season but all of a sudden we were struggling in games , although we were still winning games but more by luck than deservedly. Now that we are really struggling , he isn't changing anything to address it , just plays different players in same formations , hoping for results , he is a clueless bad manager.
Has he ever won anything in the game and please don't quote Glasgow Rangers getting promoted , i could of done that.
I am convinced we only appointed him as manager because we had no money to spend and a lot of high earning players to get off the books and nobody else at the time wanted to come here.
He has steadied the ship , we have a few good players on our books but Mark Warburton will not take us any further , so please sack him or at least let him go at the end of the season Rangers.

[MINCER]

My point about 5/3 at the back is that it is negative , when playing poor sides at home , we don't need 5 defenders , we could have an extra body in midfield or play with 2 strikers , if we have play off ambitions we should be dominating teams at home.
We can also pass the ball around with just 2 centre halves and 2 decent full backs , it does'nt mean you have to hoof it, you quoted Man city , they pass but play 433 , with full backs that get forward all game , so you don't need wingbacks to do that.
To get a team to play a certain way , takes good coaching and Warburton does'nt offer that. He picked to play that way christmas time last season because we were conceding 2 or 3 goals every game and he was nearly sacked for it , it was a last resort , then we signed a few players on loan in the January window and our results changed and we played some decent football. We carried that form over into the start of this season but all of a sudden we were struggling in games , although we were still winning games but more by luck than deservedly. Now that we are really struggling , he isn't changing anything to address it , just plays different players in same formations , hoping for results , he is a clueless bad manager.
Has he ever won anything in the game and please don't quote Glasgow Rangers getting promoted , i could of done that.
I am convinced we only appointed him as manager because we had no money to spend and a lot of high earning players to get off the books and nobody else at the time wanted to come here.
He has steadied the ship , we have a few good players on our books but Mark Warburton will not take us any further , so please sack him or at least let him go at the end of the season Rangers.

[topperharley]

My point about 5/3 at the back is that it is negative , when playing poor sides at home , we don't need 5 defenders , we could have an extra body in midfield or play with 2 strikers , if we have play off ambitions we should be dominating teams at home.
We can also pass the ball around with just 2 centre halves and 2 decent full backs , it does'nt mean you have to hoof it, you quoted Man city , they pass but play 433 , with full backs that get forward all game , so you don't need wingbacks to do that.
To get a team to play a certain way , takes good coaching and Warburton does'nt offer that. He picked to play that way christmas time last season because we were conceding 2 or 3 goals every game and he was nearly sacked for it , it was a last resort , then we signed a few players on loan in the January window and our results changed and we played some decent football. We carried that form over into the start of this season but all of a sudden we were struggling in games , although we were still winning games but more by luck than deservedly. Now that we are really struggling , he isn't changing anything to address it , just plays different players in same formations , hoping for results , he is a clueless bad manager.
Has he ever won anything in the game and please don't quote Glasgow Rangers getting promoted , i could of done that.
I am convinced we only appointed him as manager because we had no money to spend and a lot of high earning players to get off the books and nobody else at the time wanted to come here.
He has steadied the ship , we have a few good players on our books but Mark Warburton will not take us any further , so please sack him or at least let him go at the end of the season Rangers.

Can't disagree with, or add much to any of that.

He did do well with Brentford, and that ended mysteriously. But I'm coming round to that being him moving on at the right time, before it went south, like it's going south with us now.

[Hope & Faith]

My point about 5/3 at the back is that it is negative , when playing poor sides at home , we don't need 5 defenders , we could have an extra body in midfield or play with 2 strikers , if we have play off ambitions we should be dominating teams at home.
We can also pass the ball around with just 2 centre halves and 2 decent full backs , it does'nt mean you have to hoof it, you quoted Man city , they pass but play 433 , with full backs that get forward all game , so you don't need wingbacks to do that.
To get a team to play a certain way , takes good coaching and Warburton does'nt offer that. He picked to play that way christmas time last season because we were conceding 2 or 3 goals every game and he was nearly sacked for it , it was a last resort , then we signed a few players on loan in the January window and our results changed and we played some decent football. We carried that form over into the start of this season but all of a sudden we were struggling in games , although we were still winning games but more by luck than deservedly. Now that we are really struggling , he isn't changing anything to address it , just plays different players in same formations , hoping for results , he is a clueless bad manager.
Has he ever won anything in the game and please don't quote Glasgow Rangers getting promoted , i could of done that.
I am convinced we only appointed him as manager because we had no money to spend and a lot of high earning players to get off the books and nobody else at the time wanted to come here.
He has steadied the ship , we have a few good players on our books but Mark Warburton will not take us any further , so please sack him or at least let him go at the end of the season Rangers.

Hard work this…

The whole point of 3 or 5 at the back IS TO GET EXTRA BODIES IN MIDFIELD.

Warburtn is a very good coach. What he doesnt have is a very good team of players, and has had very little money to spend.

His system and tactics have given us 12 months of great results, till January.

Ive yet to hear anyone blame the players. There have been some poor performances and attitudes. Im surprised at Charlie; he hs been the smae since he sat in the stand. He’s gone very quiet off the pitch too.

Ill wager with anyone; be patient. We need to build over a couple of seasons to have the depth for the Premiership. Sadly, Brentford are the model. It took them over 4-5 yers to get there.

[Harrow QPR]

Hard work this…

The whole point of 3 or 5 at the back IS TO GET EXTRA BODIES IN MIDFIELD.

Warburtn is a very good coach. What he doesnt have is a very good team of players, and has had very little money to spend.

His system and tactics have given us 12 months of great results, till January.

Ive yet to hear anyone blame the players. There have been some poor performances and attitudes. Im surprised at Charlie; he hs been the smae since he sat in the stand. He’s gone very quiet off the pitch too.

Ill wager with anyone; be patient. We need to build over a couple of seasons to have the depth for the Premiership. Sadly, Brentford are the model. It took them over 4-5 yers to get there.

The reason Mark Warburton reverted to 3 centre halves was because when only Dickie and Barbet played there , we were conceding 2 or 3 goals every game.
If you want extra bodies in midfield , drop a centre half and play an extra midfielder .
Or are you trying to tell me that our wingbacks are the extra midfielders , if so give it up mate , they've barely got over the halfway line in the last 10 games , hence why our attackers are isolated and we create very little for them.
We have'nt got the players to play 5/3/2 3/5/2 3/4/2/1 , it is flawed without 2 energetic and pacey wingbacks to get up and down the pitch

[FurtiveFox]

Is Ollie currently available?

[topperharley]

Hard work this…

The whole point of 3 or 5 at the back IS TO GET EXTRA BODIES IN MIDFIELD.

Warburtn is a very good coach. What he doesnt have is a very good team of players, and has had very little money to spend.

His system and tactics have given us 12 months of great results, till January.

Ive yet to hear anyone blame the players. There have been some poor performances and attitudes. Im surprised at Charlie; he hs been the smae since he sat in the stand. He’s gone very quiet off the pitch too.

Ill wager with anyone; be patient. We need to build over a couple of seasons to have the depth for the Premiership. Sadly, Brentford are the model. It took them over 4-5 yers to get there.

I'd 100% be patient if the performances were there but the results weren't.

I think plenty of people have blamed the players, but blame can only go so far when you have people out of position, forced to work beyond their capabilities (that's all our flanking players) and isolated like all our strikers, or over exposed like our defence has been, we were solid at the back for a while there and that's completely gone out the window. Why?

Most of the actual blame with any malice is directed at the midfield. They are the engine of the team and it's down to Stef and Hendrick, or the way those two have been TOLD to play that has been letting us down. That and the inability for our wingbacks to do what they are supposed to do, which they understandably can't, for a variety of reasons. Those chomping at Chaz have a point but his woes stem from the flanks and midfield, same for Gray and Dykes. Other players have been called out for poor performances, often.

If we look at all those poor performances how many would be down to tactics/selection and how many would be down to the player just being crap?