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  • hal9thou
    Silver Seat
    • May 2012
    • 4258

    #121
    Originally posted by Stanley
    Highly proven manager at this level.
    No one, not even JFH's most ardent supporters can argue with that. Of course he's not EPL, he wouldn't be my choice for a long term contract but as has been repeatedly stated that is not the point.

    We were where we were.The fact is that NW could have been retained, if he had got us up he could have been replaced - he didn't want to go back to the prem - and we would have had a breathing space in which to appoint a sensible successor. To me, that would have been a logical progression. Others may not agree.

    I can't see that there's scope for much further discussion on this one but like Adel, NW just seems to run and run on here.

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    • Stanley
      Guest
      • Mar 2009
      • 23693

      #122
      Originally posted by Shepherds Mush
      You sure about that? Chris Ramsey working at Palace....
      Fairly sure. It may have been in an unofficial capacity. Either way I remember hearing they'd previously worked together.

      Originally posted by hal9thou
      We were where we were.
      I see what you did there

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      • jmelanie
        Gold Seat
        • Aug 2011
        • 7525

        #123
        Originally posted by hal9thou
        No one, not even JFH's most ardent supporters can argue with that. Of course he's not EPL, he wouldn't be my choice for a long term contract but as has been repeatedly stated that is not the point.

        We were where we were.The fact is that NW could have been retained, if he had got us up he could have been replaced - he didn't want to go back to the prem - and we would have had a breathing space in which to appoint a sensible successor. To me, that would have been a logical progression. Others may not agree.

        I can't see that there's scope for much further discussion on this one but like Adel, NW just seems to run and run on here.
        You're right there is no real point in discussing this further. He is now at Cardiff and there is not too much we can do about that.

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        • nasser95
          Gold Seat
          • Dec 2012
          • 7216

          #124
          Originally posted by hal9thou
          No one, not even JFH's most ardent supporters can argue with that. Of course he's not EPL, he wouldn't be my choice for a long term contract but as has been repeatedly stated that is not the point.

          We were where we were.The fact is that NW could have been retained, if he had got us up he could have been replaced - he didn't want to go back to the prem - and we would have had a breathing space in which to appoint a sensible successor. To me, that would have been a logical progression. Others may not agree.

          I can't see that there's scope for much further discussion on this one but like Adel, NW just seems to run and run on here.
          The point you are forgetting is that continuity is so vital. A team that fights for their manager in the way NW galvanises his to will only go so far once he's gone. Look at Rotherham, who he galvanised for half a season. Now they're bottom of the league. He comes, he does a job built for the short term, leaves with no blood on his hands and the next guy is lumbered with the short-termism of players who aren't particularly great and overperformed for the incredible motivator that is Neil Warnock.
          "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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          • upperloft
            Silver Seat
            • Oct 2012
            • 1255

            #125
            Originally posted by nasser95
            The point you are forgetting is that continuity is so vital. A team that fights for their manager in the way NW galvanises his to will only go so far once he's gone. Look at Rotherham, who he galvanised for half a season. Now they're bottom of the league. He comes, he does a job built for the short term, leaves with no blood on his hands and the next guy is lumbered with the short-termism of players who aren't particularly great and overperformed for the incredible motivator that is Neil Warnock.
            Oh Dear.
            C'Mon You Supaaaa!!

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            • 1973 ranger
              Gold Seat
              • Aug 2012
              • 5990

              #126
              Nas, That last post of yours is up there with the biggest load of ###### that has ever been posted on this board. Warnock saved us the season before we walked the championship and but for our genius of a chairman would loved to have stayed longer. You really are typical of a modern day supporter.

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              • jmelanie
                Gold Seat
                • Aug 2011
                • 7525

                #127
                Originally posted by nasser95
                The point you are forgetting is that continuity is so vital. A team that fights for their manager in the way NW galvanises his to will only go so far once he's gone. Look at Rotherham, who he galvanised for half a season. Now they're bottom of the league. He comes, he does a job built for the short term, leaves with no blood on his hands and the next guy is lumbered with the short-termism of players who aren't particularly great and overperformed for the incredible motivator that is Neil Warnock.
                The difference between Warnock and JHF is that if JFH were to leave and we got in a decent manager, we would be doing much better.

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                • Hubble
                  Postmodernist
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 5616

                  #128
                  What exactly is the point of this now 9 page thread?

                  In memory of Pete Burns and scratched records everywhere..

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                  • knocker
                    Silver Seat
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 4009

                    #129
                    Originally posted by nasser95
                    The point you are forgetting is that continuity is so vital. A team that fights for their manager in the way NW galvanises his to will only go so far once he's gone. Look at Rotherham, who he galvanised for half a season. Now they're bottom of the league. He comes, he does a job built for the short term, leaves with no blood on his hands and the next guy is lumbered with the short-termism of players who aren't particularly great and overperformed for the incredible motivator that is Neil Warnock.
                    OH dear, Oh dear!

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                    • skranger
                      Silver Seat
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 1177

                      #130
                      Originally posted by Pinkie
                      Agree stan, but why would we need a experienced manager to take us to a playoff final or promotion when we can have the luxury of sitting for a few seasons in around mid table with quality attacking football under jimmy floyd knowing say in a few seasons we`ll decide we`re ready to go up lol, as nas says if we reached a playoff final under warnock or someone else say experienced or got promoted - what then ? lol god forbid that would be no good! we dont need any of that promotion playoff buisness
                      Brilliantly put,,,,, NW is ten times the manager JFH is ,,, all this talk that NW is the short term fix - says who ??

                      And again who says he can't cut it in the prem ,,, because he somewhat failed with palace ,,, and don't say he failed with us because he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip ,,, had to sign waifs and strays and was given no money ,,

                      And I would rather him get us promoted and then see what than languish where we are now going nowhere with a clueless bafoon,, remember guys and gals the parachute payments dry up soon then what ,,,, consolidation my ass ,,,

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                      • Pinkie
                        Silver Seat
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4664

                        #131
                        Originally posted by nasser95
                        The point you are forgetting is that continuity is so vital. A team that fights for their manager in the way NW galvanises his to will only go so far once he's gone. Look at Rotherham, who he galvanised for half a season. Now they're bottom of the league. He comes, he does a job built for the short term, leaves with no blood on his hands and the next guy is lumbered with the short-termism of players who aren't particularly great and overperformed for the incredible motivator that is Neil Warnock.
                        Jesus and yet you big up jimmy, jimmy theee greatest motivator-not, you really are a wum
                        http://soundcloud.com/pinkie2

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                        • Pinkie
                          Silver Seat
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 4664

                          #132
                          Originally posted by jmelanie
                          The difference between Warnock and JHF is that if JFH were to leave and we got in a decent manager, we would be doing much better.
                          Exactly nail on the head melanie!
                          http://soundcloud.com/pinkie2

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                          • 1973 ranger
                            Gold Seat
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 5990

                            #133
                            Great point about the parachute payments as that is something this club has not experienced under the current board so lets see if Fernandes is true to his word and is in it for the long term.

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                            • skranger
                              Silver Seat
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 1177

                              #134
                              Nas can I just ask why you have this almost unforgiving hero worship of JFH ... what has he done to instill such adulation ,, just curious ,,

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                              • nasser95
                                Gold Seat
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 7216

                                #135
                                Originally posted by skranger
                                Nas can I just ask why you have this almost unforgiving hero worship of JFH ... what has he done to instill such adulation ,, just curious ,,
                                What hero worship? I just think he deserves more time... I wasn't being sarcastic at all regarding Warnock btw, I legitimately think he's one of the best motivators in the sport, if you can't see that, you're not looking right. But that's what he is, a motivator. It works phenomenally in the championship, but get into the prem and you need more, and replacing him is an option, but an illogical one as it eliminates all continuity and all the togetherness the players have.
                                "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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