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  • Shania
    C Club
    • Apr 2010
    • 23696

    #16
    Originally posted by Webb1977
    It's a very mature/interesting point you make Shania (& one that I hadn't considered of tbh). Like Luongo maybe.
    Ok,lol. Thanks. I just thought I had to suggest it as a possible reason for his lack of gametime today. It could be that he still is a bit raw as a player in this league.
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    • maidstone_hoop
      Gold Seat
      • May 2009
      • 6718

      #17
      Originally posted by nasser95
      He's really not, his first notable action was luckily escaping a booking for a rash challenge as soon as he came on. He's not got talent, he's just got legs.
      But you just look for every critism because you do t like him. The comment that Henry is 10 X better on another thread is ridiculous to.
      As said he's no world beater and I'm not saying he's a player for a top 6 champ team but as a squad floater goes he is easily good enough at this level and can be relied on to put a shift in when needed.

      Get fed up with ridiculous player bashing, especially ones who fight for every ball and it actually means something to play for QPR to them.

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      • Webb1977
        Bronze Seat
        • Apr 2012
        • 300

        #18
        Originally posted by Shania
        Ok,lol. Thanks. I just thought I had to suggest it as a possible reason for his lack of gametime today. It could be that he still is a bit raw as a player in this league.
        - if a 'longer term development strategy/vision is what's needed etc, then perhaps this is a nice example of doing just that.

        Certainly made me think anyway buddy.

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        • Shania
          C Club
          • Apr 2010
          • 23696

          #19
          Originally posted by Webb1977
          - if a 'longer term development strategy/vision is what's needed etc, then perhaps this is a nice example of doing just that.

          Certainly made me think anyway buddy.
          I think we are better off with the etc way of doing it this time around, yes.
          Last edited by Shania; 12-03-2016, 08:06 PM.
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          • corbray
            Silver Seat
            • Feb 2016
            • 3030

            #20
            Its not a negative that a player like Washington can't get into the side, its a positive because who exactly should be dropped in favour of him? Chery is on good form and Polter somehow puts on performances that are both bizzare yet amazing!

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            • 72bus
              Gold Seat
              • Mar 2011
              • 9508

              #21
              Originally posted by corbray
              Its not a negative that a player like Washington can't get into the side, its a positive because who exactly should be dropped in favour of him? Chery is on good form and Polter somehow puts on performances that are both bizzare yet amazing!
              i agree he probabley shouldn't get in the team but at 3 nil it would have been good to have another look at him

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              • QPR1976
                Silver Seat
                • Mar 2009
                • 2391

                #22
                Now we've hit 50 points, I wonder if JFH will start to blood some youngsters, including Washington ?
                Kpekawa to give Hill a breather. Petrasso for Phillips, Nasser for Hoilett, Ingram ?
                Not all at once obviously.

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                • corbray
                  Silver Seat
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 3030

                  #23
                  Yeah I agree on that, we know what we're going to get with Mackie and he will probably never be more than just a squad player whereas hopefully Washington can make a better claim on the first team. I'd love us to start playing with two strikers up front but from what we've seen, Chery and Polter make a pretty damn good combination.
                  Who would have thought though at the start of the season that Polter would go on to become our most effective striker? Funny how the game works but I love Polter so far!

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                  • 72bus
                    Gold Seat
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 9508

                    #24
                    Originally posted by corbray
                    Yeah I agree on that, we know what we're going to get with Mackie and he will probably never be more than just a squad player whereas hopefully Washington can make a better claim on the first team. I'd love us to start playing with two strikers up front but from what we've seen, Chery and Polter make a pretty damn good combination.
                    Who would have thought though at the start of the season that Polter would go on to become our most effective striker? Funny how the game works but I love Polter so far!
                    different player since he got rid of that moody pony tail

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                    • nasser95
                      Gold Seat
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 7216

                      #25
                      Originally posted by maidstone_hoop
                      But you just look for every critism because you do t like him. The comment that Henry is 10 X better on another thread is ridiculous to.
                      As said he's no world beater and I'm not saying he's a player for a top 6 champ team but as a squad floater goes he is easily good enough at this level and can be relied on to put a shift in when needed.

                      Get fed up with ridiculous player bashing, especially ones who fight for every ball and it actually means something to play for QPR to them.
                      I think many will agree that Henry is much much better. He can be relied to put a shift in sure but that shift involves 0 decent touches, 0 intelligent passes or runs and more bad tackles that could give away dangerous fouls or bookings than good tackles. I could put a shift in and fight for every ball and it would mean a lot to me to play for QPR but that doesn't mean I should be there because of the effort I put. He doesn't do the squad any favours when things aren't going well either by playing to the crowd.
                      "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                      • nasser95
                        Gold Seat
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 7216

                        #26
                        Originally posted by maidstone_hoop
                        But you just look for every critism because you do t like him. The comment that Henry is 10 X better on another thread is ridiculous to.
                        As said he's no world beater and I'm not saying he's a player for a top 6 champ team but as a squad floater goes he is easily good enough at this level and can be relied on to put a shift in when needed.

                        Get fed up with ridiculous player bashing, especially ones who fight for every ball and it actually means something to play for QPR to them.
                        Also, you can't say you're fed up with ridiculous player bashing when I've read your comments on Hoilett who (if Henry isn't) is in fact 10 times the player mackie is.
                        "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                        • UpperP
                          Silver Seat
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 1055

                          #27
                          If hard graft and a willingness to die for the cause was the pre-requisite for being a professional footballer we'd probably all qualify to wear the hoops.Despite his limitations, I don't dislike JM, and under certain circumstances, can understand JFH bringing him on to help close down a game when we're 1-0 up and under pressure.
                          However, IMHO, at 2 or 3 nil up, today was the ideal time to give CW a run out, without him having to be too worried about making a mistake and losing the ball.

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                          • nasser95
                            Gold Seat
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 7216

                            #28
                            Originally posted by UpperP
                            If hard graft and a willingness to die for the cause was the pre-requisite for being a professional footballer we'd probably all qualify to wear the hoops.Despite his limitations, I don't dislike JM, and under certain circumstances, can understand JFH bringing him on to help close down a game when we're 1-0 up and under pressure.
                            However, IMHO, at 2 or 3 nil up, today was the ideal time to give CW a run out, without him having to be too worried about making a mistake and losing the ball.
                            My issue with him is that grafting is not something that can be relied upon without a level of defensive ability along with it. If he want's to be a grafter, he has to tackle better or he's useless. Pressure only gets you so far without a bit of intelligence to go with it and he lacks that.
                            "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                            • Hove Ranger
                              Silver Seat
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 4441

                              #29
                              Originally posted by nasser95
                              Also, you can't say you're fed up with ridiculous player bashing when I've read your comments on Hoilett who (if Henry isn't) is in fact 10 times the player mackie is.
                              I was going to say something similar mate. Cue the "He's only playing well cos he wants a contract..."

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                              • maidstone_hoop
                                Gold Seat
                                • May 2009
                                • 6718

                                #30
                                Hoilett is on 40 plus k a week and for 3 and a half years has been utter dog.

                                Mackie got promoted with QPR played for the shirt and actually produced when olaying for us in the top flight. Right now he's a decent squad player who can be relied on when needed. As said nothing more but for some reason is becoming a scapegoat to moan about.

                                I'm more than fair with my comments and judgment and hoilett is playing well as and I have said fair play.

                                However he still can't cross a ball to save his life and yes we should be cautious about his up turn in form a few weeks before his deal runs out. Would be careless for the club not to think where has this side of hoilett been for the last 36 months.
                                Last edited by maidstone_hoop; 12-03-2016, 11:20 PM.

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