They were on the ropes at the end, and if hoilet could cross better or the ref had given us that pen shout. Thats why i said that first bit mate. Performances are frustrating but we are not embarrassing ourselves against the champions league sides so far. A win and a few draws will come, im so confident of it.
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They were hanging on, most definitely. I just happen to take the view that our players are good enough to apply that sort of pressure from the start and be successful on occasions in doing so. I honestly don't believe it was because they only had ten men either. I just think that their defence is very suspect and likely to make constant errors when pressure is applied. Not applying any for over an hour sort of lets them off the hook in my view.Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod View PostThey were on the ropes at the end, and if hoilet could cross better or the ref had given us that pen shout. Thats why i said that first bit mate. Performances are frustrating but we are not embarrassing ourselves against the champions league sides so far. A win and a few draws will come, im so confident of it.
Still, game's finished now so for the umpteenth time I'll say that I'm sure we must have learnt by now. 🙊
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For a man who raves about stats and probability why would a record of 9 straight defeats and what 5 away wins in 40 suddenly change to five away wins in our remaining away gamesOriginally posted by nasser95 View PostSo what you are saying is that you don't expect us to keep doing the same thing at home for the next half of the season? Then why can't the same be said away from home? why must we look at it in the more negative light only that we won't be as consistent at getting points at home only when you are forgetting the same can be said away from home.
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Hence the frustration yesterday and at OT. Both teams weakness were their defences but we go out with no intention of exposing this. Instead of attacking their weakness we played to their strengthsOriginally posted by brightonr View PostThey were hanging on, most definitely. I just happen to take the view that our players are good enough to apply that sort of pressure from the start and be successful on occasions in doing so. I honestly don't believe it was because they only had ten men either. I just think that their defence is very suspect and likely to make constant errors when pressure is applied. Not applying any for over an hour sort of lets them off the hook in my view.
Still, game's finished now so for the umpteenth time I'll say that I'm sure we must have learnt by now.
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If you are gonna complain about my stats, at least get yours right first. Its actually 12 wins in our last 40 away matches league, going all the way back to the 1 - 0 at Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The reason I think we will is because stats can say plenty about something and we have shown a huge improvement in the Quality of football away from home. Since the West Ham match, we have played better away from home and all it will take is one spark in January to light the fuse.Originally posted by West Acton View PostFor a man who raves about stats and probability why would a record of 9 straight defeats and what 5 away wins in 40 suddenly change to five away wins in our remaining away games"What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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And your stats on away wins I'm assuming your counting championship games to as I was referring to premier league games in recent times of which I can not recall 12?????
Warnock from memory won at wolves stoke and one other place I think
Hughes won f uck all away games
Harry won at chelsea and Southampton
Where were the rest??
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The reason why I haven't been moaning about this is because we were not trying before, we weren't going forwards. All I wanted is the players to try and get forwards to get in the positions, and that's what they've been doing. The only thing I can moan about now is the quality of crosses and passes, I guess you can't have everything.
The window opens in a few days time, I'm praying Harry brings in the right players and get's rid of the players wasting our money.
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This is why I'm hopeful in January that things will improve. Harry knows that we need to play with wingers with pace away from home to take advantage of the bigger pitch. Our midfield isn't skilled enough to hold onto the ball however for 90 minutes so we play it safe for a long period in order to then hit the opposition at the end with the pace. The only thing that went wrong was our final ball from hoilett and Vargas. Were those better, we could have come away with more. In Jan we can bring in other players who can deliver hopefully.Originally posted by MYU View PostThe reason why I haven't been moaning about this is because we were not trying before, we weren't going forwards. All I wanted is the players to try and get forwards to get in the positions, and that's what they've been doing. The only thing I can moan about now is the quality of crosses and passes, I guess you can't have everything.
The window opens in a few days time, I'm praying Harry brings in the right players and get's rid of the players wasting our money."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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Of course I included them, it was you who once told me that my results were skewed, well here they aren't. The squad is similar and I can't just Ignore a whole year.Originally posted by West Acton View PostAnd your stats on away wins I'm assuming your counting championship games to as I was referring to premier league games in recent times of which I can not recall 12?????
Warnock from memory won at wolves stoke and one other place I think
Hughes won f uck all away games
Harry won at chelsea and Southampton
Where were the rest??"What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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Well reference was to top flight last three times in it where we have won as I said from memory 5games in three seasons away from homeOriginally posted by nasser95 View PostOf course I included them, it was you who once told me that my results were skewed, well here they aren't. The squad is similar and I can't just Ignore a whole year.
What's the point of comparing championship away wins at a lower level of football to how we perform at the highest level.
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Squad has changed less over three years than four so you can see whether the players are at fault or the manager or the club itselfOriginally posted by West Acton View PostWell reference was to top flight last three times in it where we have won as I said from memory 5games in three seasons away from home
What's the point of comparing championship away wins at a lower level of football to how we perform at the highest level."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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An example Wests is Stoke, notoriously strong at home under pulis but in his last 3 years in charge, they won in total 8 away league games out of 57 (14%). Their positions from 2010-11 to 2012-13 were 13th, 14th and 13th."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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Even Last year under Mark Hughes, in their strongest league finish ever i believe, they only managed 3 away wins (West Ham, Aston Villa and West Brom). Many teams finish well despite being notoriously poor away from home."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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