QPR flash new stadium!!!!!

[brightonr]

Talking of flash...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/footballer-shown-red-in-fa-cup-preliminary-for-flashing-referee-8775516.html

[Jeems]

For all but the last season or two that Brighton were at Withdean, the main reason for the crowds being less than 10,000 was that there were less than 7,000 seats. The reason for the delay was planning problems and legal challenges from residents in the local village who were up in arms about lots of people pitching up every couple of weeks. Funny really, as they don't seem to mind being surrounded by Brighton University campus on one side and Sussex University campus on the other for most of the year. And quite frankly, if you have ever been to the village of Falmer, you would be forgiven for not noticing you had.

You make many valid points, but Brighton is most definitely not the best example.

And one of the reasons we dont get over 20k is because we can only fit 18k ;) I know we dont always sell out but we're normally there or thereabouts - in the Prem anyway. So at the Goldstone they had 20k+ crowds, now they have 30k...

Brighton IS a good example as to what possible delays to expect. We protest over everything in this country, and there will be numerous meetings, residents protests blahblahblah to get through which will drag on forever. Brighton's was just a stadium, our one is a whole lot more!

[dave58]

I am not disagreeing with you. Merely pointing out that without the capacity (which Loftus Road does not have), we cannot see how the attendances will grow from 18,000.

QPR will just have to build the stadium and see how many fans attend games. And should they find that it is not filled straight away, build a squad capable of gaining success and the fans will go and watch games, just as Chelsea went from 25,000 to 40,000 sell-outs inside 5 seasons.

Chelsea increased their gates by staring to win trophies, spending lots of Roman's. Own coffers to do it ,if the Mittal's decided to really give it a go and we started winning things buying marquee players I'm sure our fan base would increase? Also Chelsea & Fulham they nicked a large part of what prob would have been our fans base because of our years in the lower league wilderness. Also saw someone quoting Cardiff, Reading & Brighton they did increase their fan base but still only built stadia all smaller than 32.000. Which I think would be perfect for us.

[Johnnykc]

For all but the last season or two that Brighton were at Withdean, the main reason for the crowds being less than 10,000 was that there were less than 7,000 seats. The reason for the delay was planning problems and legal challenges from residents in the local village who were up in arms about lots of people pitching up every couple of weeks. Funny really, as they don't seem to mind being surrounded by Brighton University campus on one side and Sussex University campus on the other for most of the year. And quite frankly, if you have ever been to the village of Falmer, you would be forgiven for not noticing you had.

You make many valid points, but Brighton is most definitely not the best example.

Possibly not the best example in terms of looking at how their crowds increased..........but a very good example of controlled growth.

Original capacity was around 22k and has been gradually increased with the fanbase, which is an excellent way to maintain the 'full' stadium vibe but with an eye on the future.

[brightonr]

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Possibly not the best example in terms of looking at how their crowds increased..........but a very good example of controlled growth.

Original capacity was around 22k and has been gradually increased with the fanbase, which is an excellent way to maintain the 'full' stadium vibe but with an eye on the future.

It was always intended to be nearer to 30,000, but the real reason for the lower initial capacity was down to the easier path through the planning issues.

They always had a decent size ground until the owner sold it for his benefit, forcing them to ground share with Gillingham prior to renting out the Athletic track.

A really lovely stadium to be fair. Whilst a lot of the cost was met by grants, the rest was paid for by the chairman. Not a loan, a gift. Ground now in a trust so that they ever have to worry about that sort of thing again. But then again, he is a life long fan. The worst thing about it is the location. Looks great approaching it from the fields above, but nowhere near the town.

[WeAreQPR12]

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It was always intended to be nearer to 30,000, but the real reason for the lower initial capacity was down to the easier path through the planning issues.

They always had a decent size ground until the owner sold it for his benefit, forcing them to ground share with Gillingham prior to renting out the Athletic track.

A really lovely stadium to be fair. Whilst a lot of the cost was met by grants, the rest was paid for by the chairman. Not a loan, a gift. Ground now in a trust so that they ever have to worry about that sort of thing again. But then again, he is a life long fan. The worst thing about it is the location. Looks great approaching it from the fields above, but nowhere near the town.

I know you're Rangers through and through but there does tend to be a real soft spot for your local team.

Have you ever considered buying a ST, for example last season when we were in the premier and high ticket prices, not a pop just wondering because with there facilities etc it much have been tempting?

[loftustoad]

Maybe 40,000 is just the possible attendance for events when you take into account people on the pitch also???

[WeAreQPR12]

Maybe 40,000 is just the possible attendance for events when you take into account people on the pitch also???

This isn't a game of 'how many people can you squeeze into a mini', of course they won't be including people on the pitch, it's about seating capacity for crying out loud!

[QPR Richard]

You get to this time scale how? But that aside, what makes you think our fan base is going to increase at all between now the opening of this possible new stadium?

The new stadium will take a number of years to complete. The Emirates was ten years concept to finish. What makes you think football will be the only activity in the new stadium? Phil Beard has already said it needs to be multi-purpose. Do you not think club has consulted experts who have carried out feasibility studies about what could be achieved?

Besides, the way London is expanding, if we don't take this opportunity now, we will never have another chance. At your age you'll most likely still be going to football in 50 years time. Can you imagine how bad LR will be by then?

[QPR Richard]

To add, it isn't the stadium that makes a game soulless. It is the fans who breathe life into it if they so choose. We've all been to games at LR when it's been as quiet as a library.

[QPRDave]

Love the way everyone uses Coventry as an example.

Why not use Hull, Cardiff, Brighton or Reading as examples?

Have a look at their attendances when they were in their previous grounds to what they get now, and tell me they havnt prospered since increasing their gates in some cases well over double.

Atmospheres too are arguably better (bar reading) so not sure where all this stuff about not filling a ground comes from. If its marketed well and you get the right people in, you gain support and grow. Look at Brighton now to what they were the last time we were in the same league. Who's gonna be taking the **** out of the others Mickey Mouse out of date ground now?

Gone from crowds of 4k or whatever it was to ST sales over 20k I think I read. Does the Samesex Arena resemble the cottage with a load of newbies? No

Well said. Far too much negativity and it's my club and i only want a certain type of fans i like attitude on here. QPR can and will attract fans of all kinds.
We have owners who are trying to make the club a bigger and better operation, enjoy. We could have owners like Blackburn, or Coventry, or even Flav & Bernie

[Olly]

If you read the pdf document I think it says some parts of the site that already have existing road networks can be started and developed in the next 4 years. Which seems to apply to the existing stadium example on page 30.

[MattyRangers]

The new stadium will take a number of years to complete. The Emirates was ten years concept to finish. What makes you think football will be the only activity in the new stadium? Phil Beard has already said it needs to be multi-purpose. Do you not think club has consulted experts who have carried out feasibility studies about what could be achieved?

Besides, the way London is expanding, if we don't take this opportunity now, we will never have another chance. At your age you'll most likely still be going to football in 50 years time. Can you imagine how bad LR will be by then?

Where have I said it will only be football played there? I know it will be a multi purpose venue. But that doesn't change my opinion 40k is vastly oversized. Personally don't care if it sells out for One Direction on a Friday night if it means a half empty stadium (or 1 half full of tourists) for QPR games come Saturday afternoon. 40k in one jump is too much got us. 25k with the option to increase further down the line.

Your last point us a very good 1 and I can see that point, I'm not against a new stadium at all but I think we need to be realistic and sensible with the initial capacity to avoid embarrassment .

[QPR Richard]

I would guess there were 15k Rangers fans at each of the first two home games this season in a lower league. Add to that, many fans who don't go as regular as they once did. We probably have about 20k fans who either go regularly or occasionally.

If you then suppose we were in the EPL, the away numbers would be 10k against a number of clubs, like Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham, Liverpool, Newcastle etc. almost half of our home games.

That leaves 10k available for expansion. The new stadium itself will attract a new generation of fans from the area as it will be part of their community and will be something to be proud of. There won't be anything like it anywhere in the country, and because it will also host other events, it'll become famous around the world.

Of course, we could always remain where we are, penned in with a capacity of 18.5k, in a stadium that is, quite frankly, well past its best.

[WeAreQPR12]

If we are in the premier league we will easily sell out 35,000 plus with the right pricing etc.

I took 4 mates to man city home season before last and they couldn't believe the state of our ground. They all took the **** and I am biased so like you Matty i'll always defend loftus road but it is miles behind the times. Neatral fans who I have a different 4 for the birmingham game want different things from our hard core support. Of course we won't have them backing the side like current but tony will be happy with their money just like you and I. The guys that are coming are not sure at all about championship football but like me if we play in the premier in a new ground I'd imagine most of us could bring 3 or 4 at a time