QPR flash new stadium!!!!!

[ArthurQPR_NYC]

I think the point of gaining new fans, especially in West London, not a hard 1 to fathom. I can tell you two personal stories,

1 of my mate who went to Uni at Imperial and whilst being a massive supporter of his hometown club (Shrewsbury), he and his housemates had a Fulham season ticket because the club was Premier League, the ground had character and wasn't a soulless behemoth (ie. the Emirates), and was a decent price.

My other mate, has just moved back to Croydon after years of working in the States. He's originally from Crawley, and while he says he supports Crawley Town casually, he's said he will definitely try to get to as many Palace fixtures as possible as its a decent size (26k), decent atmosphere, and a decent price. He's just got a newborn as well, so you can imagine that makes 2 new supporters of Palace.

Those cases could have been qpr. I know its a narrow 1:1 view, but just sayin..

[QPR71]

"The area to the north of the Grand Union Canal could be particularly important for kick starting the regeneration of the wider area......it may be possible for a major.....entertainment or sports provider to help to act as a catalyst for the regeneration of the area by frontloading the provision of infrastructure and giving the area an identity."

from page 30

suggests the stadium, if it happens will come first

[West Acton]

I think we need to remove the thought that the 40k stadium is for our needs as its not were just part of the plan which is actually ok with me.

If the board/club were simply building a stadium for us it would prob be 25k max 30k but the stadium is likely to be used for events separate to us where a minimum of a 40k stadium will be required hence why if it progresses they have opted for that capacity. Building a 25k (prob ideal for us) would be a false economy of scale for the board and would not serve the additional purpose of a multi use stadium which is the vision.

If we do get a 40k ground I hope it is built cleverly so when it is not sold out you can have shutters or something of that sort that can be pulled down to hide off parts of the stadium not sold, could be a commercial opportunity as the shutters could have advertising on them.

As for timescales and a total development timeframe of 2026 I don't see why we could not be the first part of the project and the stadium be built before other aspects of the project so for me it would not be 2026 that we arrive. If the deal is agreed I would suspect a new ground within 4/5 years as why put it off??? The sooner it is built the sooner they can start making their money back so it will be full steam ahead with these guys and the infrastructure etc will be built around it.

[WeAreQPR12]

Not for one moment WeAre. I certainly don't want Brighton to be having much success, as it is my firm belief that such a team shouldn't even be in the same division as us. The fact that they are is irritating beyond belief. But that is mainly down to Hughes and the players he brought in, with a sprinkling of Redknapp.

Would never regard anything you say as having a pop mate. Think we've got a bit more regard for each other than that.

I agree with you on that but we're most definitely in the minority camp.

[brightonr]

I know you're Rangers through and through but there does tend to be a real soft spot for your local team.

Have you ever considered buying a ST, for example last season when we were in the premier and high ticket prices, not a pop just wondering because with there facilities etc it much have been tempting?

Not for one moment WeAre. I certainly don't want Brighton to be having much success, as it is my firm belief that such a team shouldn't even be in the same division as us. The fact that they are is irritating beyond belief. But that is mainly down to Hughes and the players he brought in, with a sprinkling of Redknapp.

Would never regard anything you say as having a pop mate. Think we've got a bit more regard for each other than that.

[WeAreQPR12]

I for one DO care if it sells out for OD on a Friday night. It means more money going into the coffers, and this is what it's really about, increasing revenues for the club. By increasing our income, it will allow us to compete with bigger clubs, especially in the age of financial fair play. I doubt very much we will be playing in a half empty stadium if we become an established EPL club, and there's no reason why we can't. If the likes of Fulham and Stoke can, why not us?

That is basically the fact of the matter, if we can compete people will come. My mates want to see a good london premier league game and they support liverpool and man u

[QPR Richard]

Where have I said it will only be football played there? I know it will be a multi purpose venue. But that doesn't change my opinion 40k is vastly oversized. Personally don't care if it sells out for One Direction in a Friday night, I don't want a half empty stadium nor 1 half full of tourists for QPR games. 40k in one jump is too much got us. 25k with the option to increase further down the line.

Your last point us a very good 1 and I can see that point, I'm not against a stadium but I think we need to be realistic and sensible with the initial capacity to avoid embarrassment .

I for one DO care if it sells out for OD on a Friday night. It means more money going into the coffers, and this is what it's really about, increasing revenues for the club. By increasing our income, it will allow us to compete with bigger clubs, especially in the age of financial fair play. I doubt very much we will be playing in a half empty stadium if we become an established EPL club, and there's no reason why we can't. If the likes of Fulham and Stoke can, why not us?

[WeAreQPR12]

If we are in the premier league we will easily sell out 35,000 plus with the right pricing etc.

I took 4 mates to man city home season before last and they couldn't believe the state of our ground. They all took the **** and I am biased so like you Matty i'll always defend loftus road but it is miles behind the times. Neatral fans who I have a different 4 for the birmingham game want different things from our hard core support. Of course we won't have them backing the side like current but tony will be happy with their money just like you and I. The guys that are coming are not sure at all about championship football but like me if we play in the premier in a new ground I'd imagine most of us could bring 3 or 4 at a time

[QPR Richard]

I would guess there were 15k Rangers fans at each of the first two home games this season in a lower league. Add to that, many fans who don't go as regular as they once did. We probably have about 20k fans who either go regularly or occasionally.

If you then suppose we were in the EPL, the away numbers would be 10k against a number of clubs, like Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham, Liverpool, Newcastle etc. almost half of our home games.

That leaves 10k available for expansion. The new stadium itself will attract a new generation of fans from the area as it will be part of their community and will be something to be proud of. There won't be anything like it anywhere in the country, and because it will also host other events, it'll become famous around the world.

Of course, we could always remain where we are, penned in with a capacity of 18.5k, in a stadium that is, quite frankly, well past its best.

[MattyRangers]

The new stadium will take a number of years to complete. The Emirates was ten years concept to finish. What makes you think football will be the only activity in the new stadium? Phil Beard has already said it needs to be multi-purpose. Do you not think club has consulted experts who have carried out feasibility studies about what could be achieved?

Besides, the way London is expanding, if we don't take this opportunity now, we will never have another chance. At your age you'll most likely still be going to football in 50 years time. Can you imagine how bad LR will be by then?

Where have I said it will only be football played there? I know it will be a multi purpose venue. But that doesn't change my opinion 40k is vastly oversized. Personally don't care if it sells out for One Direction on a Friday night if it means a half empty stadium (or 1 half full of tourists) for QPR games come Saturday afternoon. 40k in one jump is too much got us. 25k with the option to increase further down the line.

Your last point us a very good 1 and I can see that point, I'm not against a new stadium at all but I think we need to be realistic and sensible with the initial capacity to avoid embarrassment .

[Olly]

If you read the pdf document I think it says some parts of the site that already have existing road networks can be started and developed in the next 4 years. Which seems to apply to the existing stadium example on page 30.

[QPRDave]

Love the way everyone uses Coventry as an example.

Why not use Hull, Cardiff, Brighton or Reading as examples?

Have a look at their attendances when they were in their previous grounds to what they get now, and tell me they havnt prospered since increasing their gates in some cases well over double.

Atmospheres too are arguably better (bar reading) so not sure where all this stuff about not filling a ground comes from. If its marketed well and you get the right people in, you gain support and grow. Look at Brighton now to what they were the last time we were in the same league. Who's gonna be taking the **** out of the others Mickey Mouse out of date ground now?

Gone from crowds of 4k or whatever it was to ST sales over 20k I think I read. Does the Samesex Arena resemble the cottage with a load of newbies? No

Well said. Far too much negativity and it's my club and i only want a certain type of fans i like attitude on here. QPR can and will attract fans of all kinds.
We have owners who are trying to make the club a bigger and better operation, enjoy. We could have owners like Blackburn, or Coventry, or even Flav & Bernie

[QPR Richard]

To add, it isn't the stadium that makes a game soulless. It is the fans who breathe life into it if they so choose. We've all been to games at LR when it's been as quiet as a library.

[QPR Richard]

You get to this time scale how? But that aside, what makes you think our fan base is going to increase at all between now the opening of this possible new stadium?

The new stadium will take a number of years to complete. The Emirates was ten years concept to finish. What makes you think football will be the only activity in the new stadium? Phil Beard has already said it needs to be multi-purpose. Do you not think club has consulted experts who have carried out feasibility studies about what could be achieved?

Besides, the way London is expanding, if we don't take this opportunity now, we will never have another chance. At your age you'll most likely still be going to football in 50 years time. Can you imagine how bad LR will be by then?

[WeAreQPR12]

Maybe 40,000 is just the possible attendance for events when you take into account people on the pitch also???

This isn't a game of 'how many people can you squeeze into a mini', of course they won't be including people on the pitch, it's about seating capacity for crying out loud!