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[lymehoop]

Great to see so many knowledgeable people on here regarding the definite outcomes of leaving the European Union.......I think anyone who has a business in the UK or in mainland Europe would do very well to read this thread and enjoy the benefits of so many great minds....

sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. How's Macron doing in France Johnny?

[Johnnykc]

Great to see so many knowledgeable people on here regarding the definite outcomes of leaving the European Union.......I think anyone who has a business in the UK or in mainland Europe would do very well to read this thread and enjoy the benefits of so many great minds....

[Stanley]

I would be far more concerned about not being a part of a major trading block in which these companies trade in relation to business uncertainty.

Just as one example, Japan isn't part of any major trading block and it's the third largest economy on the planet, so I'd say they're doing pretty well by themselves.

In no way am I suggesting that the EU is perfect and as you point out there is corruption, as there is with the UK government, but for me reform comes from within.

There is arguably even worse corruption within the EU and certainly far less accountability. For example:

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

[Tim]

Brighton, I'm suggesting that there was not enough information out there to start with for either side! So not leave voters, all voters!

It really isn't laughable, I've heard it numerous times already and have had it thrown at me already on several occasions. I would be far more concerned about not being a part of a major trading block in which these companies trade in relation to business uncertainty.

I understand in a certain respect that the EU is trying to make an example of the UK and by doing so this will have a negative impact for them, nowhere near the impact likely on the UK but this is for self preservation against further negative impact if any other member states were to follow suit.

Don't know the details of Cameron's negotiations, however I would suspect he was told 'to do one' as what he was proposing was not in the best interest of the EU and he had sod all to offer that the EU considered beneficial.

In no way am I suggesting that the EU is perfect and as you point out there is corruption, as there is with the UK government, but for me reform comes from within.

[brightonr]

Tim.

Your assumption that those who voted to leave didn't fully understand the issues, is the single most idiotic excuse I have seen used since the vote. There are far too many good reasons to want to exit this inept and corrupt organisation to list.

As for your laughable "get out clause" to blame those that voted to remain, (although it was yourself that used the term "remoaners"), nothing could be further from the truth. Everything will be fine for us just as it was always going to be. The whingeing and bleating simply delays the start of better times, but no big deal in the great scheme of things, other than create the uncertainty that business and the more nervous people require.

One only needs to look at the behaviour of the EU since the vote, their increasingly desperate attempts to try to get more money from us and their ridiculous negotiating tactics, to confirm that leaving it is the right thing to do.

Perhaps someone could explain to me why when Cameron went out to negotiate better terms and was basically told to do one, he came back and attempted to persuade us to stay in?

[Tim]

Do I think for a minute that people would have let it go if the vote had been the other way round? Farage called for a second referendum before the result was in!! So yes.

Whilst you are correct that there was no way of mapping out an exact exit strategy it isn't a simple matter of in or out, ruling ourselves or not, (I won't get into a whole MEP and right to veto conversation) well it certainly shouldn't be! For a lot it was about immigration and boarder control, some about trade tariffs, the list goes on... and there was no level of transparency of what the aim was, or is, or the likely outcomes. I'm very doubtful that a proportion of leave voters were aware of the level of financial impact that is already in part coming to pass with the increase in food costs for one which is undeniable.

What some MP's and judges (and have been called by the press as traitors) have attempted to do is to ensure that due diligence is followed and the British legal system is not breached, surely that is a good thing? Some have questions about the way things are/aren't progressing hoping to ensure the best possible outcome as they see it, but as soon as someone raises a question they always seem to get fired down, called traitors and dismissed. In my opinion standing up for what you believe is in the best interest is having a backbone rather than just ignoring your concerns. Yes there will be some self serving MP's trying to use this situation to enhance their career but that is on both sides of the equation and Boris being top of the list!

'All the whingeing, moaning, bleating and protesting will achieve nothing other than feed the EU the false hope that they are likely to get us to stay or leave on their terms. Ant that isn't going to happen.'

That's just nonsense it will have no effect whatsoever, the EU will do what it can to negotiate the best outcome for it's member states whatever the situation, for me that just comes across as a 'if things don't go well we can blame those remoaners for bringing our country down' get out clause.

From researching and listening to experts in areas, especially that of economics I can only see this as a financial disaster which will see the vast majority significantly worse off, this is likely to extend to making our children's generation poorer as well. For me the ruling ourselves thing is of no consequence I can't think of rules or legislation the EU has brought in that negatively impacts me, my family or my community, where as I'm quite keen on the working time directive for one. It makes no difference to me if the people making the decisions are people I don't know in Brussels or people I don't know in London, I'M NOT SAYING I'M RIGHT!!! However that is the research that led me to make my decision, I accept people will have different views and have different reasons for why they voted the way they did, some I can totally understand, some less so.

Last thing I really don't get is your stance on democracy, say for instance a second referendum was held and the vote was to remain surely that is as you put it the will of the people but would you accept that? Then yes this could go back and forth for years I totally accept that can't happen, and is why my opinion was that more definitive guidelines including a more conclusive margin was required and as previously mentioned a more transparent set of goals and potential outcomes given.

[Bluehoop]

Ever considered democracy is being diluted due to views such as yours? Do you think for one minute that if the result was 52/48 to remain, that we would have still had whingers banging on about it today and calling for a second referendum?

The vote was quite a simple matter of wether you wanted us to remain a part of the EU or not. Neither side of the argument could categorically or accurately predict what the future held, so it was simply down to if we wanted to rule ourselves or be ruled by others.

There is no such thing as a hard or soft Brexit, we are just leaving. They were phrases dreamt up by the pathetic wet liberals who weren't getting their way.

I hope that every effort possible is made to highlight every single MP who votes against a smooth transition of the withdrawal bill through parliament. The utter stupidity of those still attempting to disrupt the process is beyond belief.

If the day after the referendum, all our MP's showed a bit of decency and backbone and pledged their full support to honour the democratic will of the people, then we would be much further down the road to achieving a better outcome for the UK.
All the whingeing, moaning, bleating and protesting will achieve nothing other than feed the EU the false hope that they are likely to get us to stay or leave on their terms. Ant that isn't going to happen.

Word for word, pretty much the response I would have given Brights, so thanks for saving me the effort

[Kevin Mcleod]

When i voted i didnt see 'Soft' or 'Hard' Leave.
Would of deffo voted 'Hard' if i had of though.

[brightonr]

Democracy is dead whichever side you are on. If another referendum is not held, where there is a very strong possibility that the decision would be reversed the 'unwashed left' could quite rightfully point out that democracy died when the original referendum was held as democracy is ongoing and not something you can put a full stop on because something went your way especially with such a close margin.

Lets face it before the referendum was held a lot more information should have been put forward, a clearer outline as to what path would be taken (hard brexit/soft brexit, and what that would involve), the whole thing was a shambles. People voting for reasons totally unrelated because of what the media or certain campaigners had told them.

The wrongs and rights appear to be subjective to which side of the fence you are viewing them from.

Ever considered democracy is being diluted due to views such as yours? Do you think for one minute that if the result was 52/48 to remain, that we would have still had whingers banging on about it today and calling for a second referendum?

The vote was quite a simple matter of wether you wanted us to remain a part of the EU or not. Neither side of the argument could categorically or accurately predict what the future held, so it was simply down to if we wanted to rule ourselves or be ruled by others.

There is no such thing as a hard or soft Brexit, we are just leaving. They were phrases dreamt up by the pathetic wet liberals who weren't getting their way.

I hope that every effort possible is made to highlight every single MP who votes against a smooth transition of the withdrawal bill through parliament. The utter stupidity of those still attempting to disrupt the process is beyond belief.

If the day after the referendum, all our MP's showed a bit of decency and backbone and pledged their full support to honour the democratic will of the people, then we would be much further down the road to achieving a better outcome for the UK.
All the whingeing, moaning, bleating and protesting will achieve nothing other than feed the EU the false hope that they are likely to get us to stay or leave on their terms. Ant that isn't going to happen.

[Tim]

If Brexit doesn't happen there should be riots in the UK to outdo any that have gone before. Only thing is that would never happen because the great unwashed, the liberal left, the left wing left, the right wing activists and the entire conspiracy theorist population of GB&I would be protesting about the riots opposing the genuine nature of the riots - namely the death of democracy in our once great democracy

Democracy is dead whichever side you are on. If another referendum is not held, where there is a very strong possibility that the decision would be reversed the 'unwashed left' could quite rightfully point out that democracy died when the original referendum was held as democracy is ongoing and not something you can put a full stop on because something went your way especially with such a close margin.

Lets face it before the referendum was held a lot more information should have been put forward, a clearer outline as to what path would be taken (hard brexit/soft brexit, and what that would involve), the whole thing was a shambles. People voting for reasons totally unrelated because of what the media or certain campaigners had told them.

The wrongs and rights appear to be subjective to which side of the fence you are viewing them from.

[Bluehoop]

If Brexit doesn't happen there should be riots in the UK to outdo any that have gone before. Only thing is that would never happen because the great unwashed, the liberal left, the left wing left, the right wing activists and the entire conspiracy theorist population of GB&I would be protesting about the riots opposing the genuine nature of the riots - namely the death of democracy in our once great democracy

[Hitman34]

as soon as Brexit is mentioned I turn over

dont bother to listen to LBC mate. thats all they are ever on about.

that and promoting LGBT in schools and nurserys

[Tim]

Surely for #### stirring and especially scare mongering the Daily Fail is second to none?

[Bill]

Oh dear the conspiracy brigade try to put forward their views. I feel rather sorry for these people, their attempt at the truth depends on you being persuaded by a particularly nuanced take on political matters that explains why events that occur are all as a result of a designated course of affairs. Where as we all know in the world we live in is a total lottery, the circumstances of political life is a cross fingers and hope for the best!

Sorry can you clarify your post for me "the conspiracy brigade"who are you refering to

[easthertsr]

Oh dear the conspiracy brigade try to put forward their views. I feel rather sorry for these people, their attempt at the truth depends on you being persuaded by a particularly nuanced take on political matters that explains why events that occur are all as a result of a designated course of affairs. Where as we all know in the world we live in is a total lottery, the circumstances of political life is a cross fingers and hope for the best!