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I must away now, I can no longer tarry
This morning's tempest I have to cross
I must be guided without a stumble
Into the arms I love the most
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Originally posted by lymehoop View Posta lot of people assume the troubles in Ireland were based on religion. Like you correctly say gaza, that is not the case
In my opinion both situations are simply a case of sick individuals finding a cause to act out their twisted desires. What we need to fight is extremism and a desire to inflict suffering on other humans, rather than demonising a certain religion or group of people.
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Originally posted by Tarbie View PostApart from the fact that the Catholics, bar none, were loyalist. And likewise the Protestant were 100% Unionist? Going off on a tangent here. But the troubles were a complex set of circumstances, just as is the current wave of terrorism in Europe.
In my opinion both situations are simply a case of sick individuals finding a cause to act out their twisted desires. What we need to fight is extremism and a desire to inflict suffering on other humans, rather than demonising a certain religion or group of people.Last edited by Hubble; 25-03-2017, 10:14 AM.
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Originally posted by Tarbie View PostApart from the fact that the Catholics, bar none, were loyalist. And likewise the Protestant were 100% Unionist? Going off on a tangent here. But the troubles were a complex set of circumstances, just as is the current wave of terrorism in Europe.
In my opinion both situations are simply a case of sick individuals finding a cause to act out their twisted desires. What we need to fight is extremism and a desire to inflict suffering on other humans, rather than demonising a certain religion or group of people.
As for 'sick and twisted' ideologies, I'm no IRA sympathiser but comparing the ideologies of Muslim extremists who want women treated as second class citizens, homosexuals to be thrown off high rise buildings and children to have their hands cut off for stealing to Irish republicans who wanted a country divided in the past to be united again is no comparison.
Like I say, I don't agree with what the IRA did but comparing their ideology of a united Ireland to that of the extremists interpretation of Islam is way off the mark.“He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
Will Danaher
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Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View PostCatholics weren't loyalist mate, they were republicans. The protestants were the loyalists
As for 'sick and twisted' ideologies, I'm no IRA sympathiser but comparing the ideologies of Muslim extremists who want women treated as second class citizens, homosexuals to be thrown off high rise buildings and children to have their hands cut off for stealing to Irish republicans who wanted a country divided in the past to be united again is no comparison.
Like I say, I don't agree with what the IRA did but comparing their ideology of a united Ireland to that of the extremists interpretation of Islam is way off the mark.
Certainly didn't mean to offend.
I think we both agree that the level of violence in both conflicts is abhorrent and little to do with relegion. That is the only point I was trying to make.
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Meanwhile, while the media circus rages on, hundreds of innocent civilians are killed in coalition airstrikes... Men, women and kids buried beneath the rubble caused by US/UK bombing... Where do we wish to put our attention? Do we want the global media to dictate how we feel? How do we decide - independently - what's going on in the world? And from what perspective? Who controls our narrative? Us? Or is it set for us by an agenda? What would happen if we stopped reading the news?
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Originally posted by Tarbie View PostFair enough mate.
Certainly didn't mean to offend.
I think we both agree that the level of violence in both conflicts is abhorrent and little to do with relegion. That is the only point I was trying to make.
Don't get me wrong, the murdering and maiming of IRA bombs is just an inexcusable as the terrorist attacks taking place now but their reasons were completely different.
Thankfully things have settled down somewhat in Northern Ireland, I'm not sure they ever will in the Middle East.“He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
Will Danaher
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Originally posted by Hubble View PostMeanwhile, while the media circus rages on, hundreds of innocent civilians are killed in coalition airstrikes... Men, women and kids buried beneath the rubble caused by US/UK bombing... Where do we wish to put our attention? Do we want the global media to dictate how we feel? How do we decide - independently - what's going on in the world? And from what perspective? Who controls our narrative? Us? Or is it set for us by an agenda? What would happen if we stopped reading the news?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...le-nobody-came
There's a twisted part of me thinks more lives would be saved in the long run if we just nuked the entire Middle East and left it as an empty desert.“He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
Will Danaher
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Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View PostNo offence taken. Like you say they are both very complex issues and there are a fair few misconceptions floating around.
Don't get me wrong, the murdering and maiming of IRA bombs is just an inexcusable as the terrorist attacks taking place now but their reasons were completely different.
Thankfully things have settled down somewhat in Northern Ireland, I'm not sure they ever will in the Middle East.
As you say.......ain't happening any time soon!Last edited by Tarbie; 25-03-2017, 11:47 AM.
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Originally posted by Hubble View PostMeanwhile, while the media circus rages on, hundreds of innocent civilians are killed in coalition airstrikes... Men, women and kids buried beneath the rubble caused by US/UK bombing... Where do we wish to put our attention? Do we want the global media to dictate how we feel? How do we decide - independently - what's going on in the world? And from what perspective? Who controls our narrative? Us? Or is it set for us by an agenda? What would happen if we stopped reading the news?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...le-nobody-came
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Originally posted by Tarbie View PostFor there ever to be peace in the Middle East, the West and in particular the US would need to completely revise their foreign policy.
If you're going to include the US then you have to include these countries too for the sake of parity.
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Originally posted by Stanley View PostAnd Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia. All three have extremely dubious and adversarial foreign policy also.
If you're going to include the US then you have to include these countries too for the sake of parity.
Iran are improving though. But Russia's policy in the Middle East is extremely dubious. Saudi will never change for anyone. But you could argue the region needs somewhere like the Saudi for liberal places like Dubai to also exist........but that one is a much longer argument!
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Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod View PostThat geezer on wednesday must feel a tad justified sitting with his virgins in heaven after seeing his home town and where he grew up being attacked and bombed.
Or were you being ironic? It's hard to know with you.Last edited by Hubble; 25-03-2017, 12:08 PM.
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Originally posted by Hubble View PostStrange comment Kev, seeing as the deranged criminal known as Khalid Masood was born in Kent and grew up in Tunbridge Wellls.
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