Moyes

[Bill]

He is history

[Hubble]

Hasn't done very well there has he?

[nanocopic]

They havent done well but thruthfully they have been lucky for a few seasons, this seasons villa. They couldnt be kept up forever, just not good enough. Their squad is poor and they just arent premiership standard.

[Bill]

Hasn't done very well there has he?

Would you swop positions with Sunderland

[brightonr]

Would you swop positions with Sunderland

No, but I'd swap managers.

[hal9thou]

No, but I'd swap managers.

Funnily enough if it was a choice between Martinez and Moyes I'd go for the former.

I always thought Moyes was massively over rated while still at Everton.

[Brian Wilson]

Sunderland remind me of a bigger version of us. Something rotten at the club that cant be fixed.

[Hubble]

Would you swop positions with Sunderland

Good question. Probably not. I like the basic idea of what the club is trying to achieve - i.e build something sustainable for the long-term. And to be honest, I don't mind being in the Championship. The Premier league is a circus and whilst some think it's the holy grail, I think it's a load of over-hyped ########. On the other hand, I would love to see us playing the kind of swashbuckling football we played under Colin ( I use that name affectionately), but then we had one Adel Taarabt at his mesmerising best during his tenure. Right now, things have become very basic. a bit too basic for my liking. I think we may have gone too far down the 'hair-shirt' road in terms of economy at the expense of flair. And unfortunately our manager is not proving to be as astute as we'd hoped.

[Bigdave]

Good question. Probably not. I like the basic idea of what the club is trying to achieve - i.e build something sustainable for the long-term. And to be honest, I don't mind being in the Championship. The Premier league is a circus and whilst some think it's the holy grail, I think it's a load of over-hyped ########. On the other hand, I would love to see us playing the kind of swashbuckling football we played under Colin ( I use that name affectionately), but then we had one Adel Taarabt at his mesmerising best during his tenure. Right now, things have become very basic. a bit too basic for my liking. I think we may have gone too far down the 'hair-shirt' road in terms of economy at the expense of flair. And unfortunately our manager is not proving to be as astute as we'd hoped.

Pretty much sums up how I'm thinking.

It's strange but I think there are loads of football fans in the championship and below thinking the same " we want success but not really that bothered about the premiership".

[hal9thou]

It's very easy to be cynical about the prem, there's a lot I hate about it.

But equally there has been some magical football on offer in recent times (as recent as yesterday) and I think all football clubs at all levels should aspire to entertain.

[Hubble]

It's very easy to be cynical about the prem, there's a lot I hate about it.

But equally there has been some magical football on offer in recent times (as recent as yesterday) and I think all football clubs at all levels should aspire to entertain.

Totally agree Hal, but you can be entertained and see magical football in the lower leagues as well. Maybe not as much, I grant you! But how about our promotion season under Warnock? That was magical. And then for the sheer joy of belonging, the best years under Olly. It doesn't have to be about being in the top league.

[brightonr]

Totally agree Hal, but you can be entertained and see magical football in the lower leagues as well. Maybe not as much, I grant you! But how about our promotion season under Warnock? That was magical. And then for the sheer joy of belonging, the best years under Olly. It doesn't have to be about being in the top league.

Nothing at all wrong with the Championship as such. As you say, the football was very enjoyable in 2010/11.

Unfortunately, it is suffering from an acute lack of talent as do the leagues below it. I guess that all the while the PL squads are stuffed full of players earning upwards of £20k per week who have little chance of making the bench, let alone the first team, things won't be changing that much.

[loneranger]

He looks a bit like my father in law.

[Hertford Hoop]

A dour Scottish has been, needs to start afresh in lower league football, not a PL manager anymore.