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  • OneJamieMackie
    Bronze Seat
    • Mar 2016
    • 329

    #16
    In

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    • Hubble
      Postmodernist
      • Jan 2013
      • 5616

      #17
      In. I've really tried to understand what the outers have to offer, but all I can see is a lot of highly speculative scenarios without any basis in fact. So better in than out for me.

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      • Stanley
        Guest
        • Mar 2009
        • 23693

        #18
        100% out. Without a second's hesitation. It's being run by nothing more than a bunch of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, high on the gravy train. It's just one more step towards the tip-toe-totalitarian-state master plan, which we need to keep well away from.

        Don't believe all the (BS scaremongering) hype about joining.

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        • maidstone_hoop
          Gold Seat
          • May 2009
          • 6718

          #19
          Originally posted by Stanley
          100% out. Without a second's hesitation. It's being run by nothing more than a bunch of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, high on the gravy train. It's just one more step towards the tip-toe-totalitarian-state master plan, which we need to keep well away from.

          Don't believe all the (BS scaremongering) hype about joining.

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          • cross it Dave
            Silver Seat
            • Sep 2009
            • 3801

            #20
            Very much in Europe, but 100% out of the EU.

            I live in France for 6 months of the year, i have never heard a good word about the EU here.

            When skiing in Austria in February, mein host, a great bloke hated the EU with a fierce passion, and I totally agree with him.

            Vote out
            Last edited by cross it Dave; 16-05-2016, 07:02 PM.
            I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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            • cross it Dave
              Silver Seat
              • Sep 2009
              • 3801

              #21
              Sovereignty, democracy and self determination as an independent nation state.
              Last edited by cross it Dave; 16-05-2016, 07:04 PM.
              I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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              • nanocopic
                Silver Seat
                • Oct 2015
                • 1725

                #22
                There just doesn't seem.to be a very good argument for in whatsoever. So for me out. I can't see anything changing whilst if we vote in. Why all of a.sudden would.Cameron be able to negotiate a better deal when he has failed drastically every other time. Just not giving money to.the EU would fix our NHS and benefit shortfall.

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                • Olly
                  Gold Seat
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 6000

                  #23
                  If we're out, we decide who we give jobs to, not to whoever turns up whenever their country is down the pan. We'll probably be a magnet for years to poorer countries, and that's English jobs and mortgages under pressure, so as they say on Dragons Den, I'm out.

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                  • 12321
                    Silver Seat
                    • May 2012
                    • 1452

                    #24
                    Just a thought, if the EU fell apart would that be good for Europe?

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                    • Olly
                      Gold Seat
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 6000

                      #25
                      What is good about it anyway, is another question

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                      • FurtiveFox
                        Silver Seat
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4172

                        #26
                        In for a variety of reasons.

                        All those who argue about self determination wake up. We have no real democracy in this country. System failed years ago beyond recovery.

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                        • gaza09
                          Bronze Seat
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 970

                          #27
                          Originally posted by corbray
                          In for me, but on the condition lots change.
                          Nothing will change, if we can't get them to change when we are threatening to leave, they never will.
                          I'm voting out for many reasons but the main reason is security. I'm ex forces and have mates in the security services and everyone of them say open borders at a time when 1.2 million mainly Muslim men have entered Europe completely unchecked is asking for trouble.

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                          • gaza09
                            Bronze Seat
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 970

                            #28
                            Originally posted by FurtiveFox
                            In for a variety of reasons.

                            All those who argue about self determination wake up. We have no real democracy in this country. System failed years ago beyond recovery.
                            Yes, around about the time we joined the common market

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                            • Kevin Mcleod
                              Referee
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 17322

                              #29
                              Out.

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                              • Jimmy Floyd Rabbit
                                Gold Seat
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 8957

                                #30
                                Turkey about to unleash millions upon millions on us whilst our schools, hospitals, benefits systems are at breaking point.

                                Massive out. The fact that pig f%cker Cameron is so worried about us going out makes my mind up anyway. A lying, corrupt stooge.

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