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**Naarven Mankey** · 31-10-2011, 11:21 AM

I for one can't knock Warnock because when he realises he's got it wrong he changes it like he did at HT at Spurs. Ok so he got it wrong first half but he got it right second half and he should be praised for seeing that. No-one gets it right all the time even that red nose **** Ferguson.

Im also of the opinion now that Adel should be dropped. Ive sung his praises but his confidence is shot. He's a totally liability for us at the moment and we look so much better without him. He needs to up his work rate 40-50% and i cant see that ever happening. I really wish he would get his act together but i can't see it anymore. The sad thing is we maybe could have got 10-13 million for him in the summer we'd be lucky if we got 2 million for him now.

Now a lot of us have knocked Joey Barton so far this season as he's not pulled up any trees for us but once he was moved into the middle in the second half he suddenly looked the player we were told he would be. Box to box etc. The whole team looked better balanced without Adel. Theres also a few Mackie knockers here too but give the guy credit his chasing everything down on sunday lifted our whole team. Personally i think weve being trying to fit square pegs into round holes by accommodating Adel and now we have to do whats best for the team by playing players in their correct positions. SWP out wide right and Joey in the centre. I know this will mean Dezza stepping down to the bench (and i love the guy) but Joey has more pace than Dezza and has better distribution. I personally would play 4-4-2 against City this weekend but i would play Traore left midfield like he used to play for Portsmouth and Clint at left back as City dont use wingers so we dont have to worry about him getting r@ped for pace. This gives a better balance to the team

Kenny
Young Ferdinand Gabbidon Hill
SWP Barton Faurlin Traore
Bothroyd Helgusson

Don't know if anyone has seen Andros Townsend for spurs but he would make a brilliant left midfielder for us and i hope we make a move for him in January.

Whatever team we put out at the weekend its gonna be damage limitation so we just need to hope City have a champions league hangover

. I just hope we give it a go like we did in the first half against Chelsc** and the second half against Spuds. Was proud of the second half against them at least we gave it a go. U R'sssssssssssssss

**Rebel R's** · 31-10-2011, 11:46 AM

surely we should expect our team to "gave it a go'' and not we proud just because they did

**cujimmy** · 31-10-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by W12_Ranger View Post

Give the manager credit for what, doing the obvious?...what your saying is the equivilant of closing the gate after the horse has bolted. T&C are in the past now they are an irrelevance, we are moving forward and the manager needs to shape up.

IN WARNOCK AT PREMIERSHIP LEVEL I'M CAUTIOUS TRUSTING

Spot on. Trust needs to be earned. So far, in the PL, Colin's done little to earn that trust (the PL is a different animal to the championship).

However... all credit to Colin for making the obvious changes in the second half. Second half was a different game and we earned the 1-1 (whereas we got thrashed 2-0 in the first).

**silvercue** · 31-10-2011, 12:16 PM

Adel needs a rocket, but I think if NW manages it properly he really could still turn it round and be a good players for us.

Derry needs to be dropped (down a division if you ask me) and the tactics simply MUST change. It's not the formation that bothers me - it's the obsession with launching the ball to Bilbo, Frodo and Gimli. They are not going to win anything in the air.

And playing Barton wide isn't great.

NW needs to change, and I am finding it strange that he seems to be accepting defeats and brushing them off because we are playing top teams. He should not accept medicocrity and has to adapt.

**Dando** · 31-10-2011, 02:34 PM

I have never seen the point of playing Barton, Derry and Faurlin together. Barton is a class player, but we will never get the best out of him when all 3 are playing. Although Derry is good, Barton is a massive step up, and can do that job on his own, far more effectively. Its time Derry is dropped, and Barton is allowed to play in his preferred role and show his class. This also leaves room for Jay to slot in up front. We were far more dangerous with 2 strikers and we dont need to be playing 1 up front anymore, it just invites teams to attack. I dont know how many games ive watched this season, where we create practically nothing the entire game - and as soon as we play 2 up front, we cause all sorts of problems. We are strong going forward imo - but they havent been allowed because of the shape

**BennyBoyRs** · 31-10-2011, 02:39 PM

W12, you've been writing some essays of late, but again, I agree.

**SullivanQPR** · 31-10-2011, 03:11 PM

So playing one up front, and happily accepting defeat to bigger clubs is seen as the problem here?
How do you solve a problem like Taarabt? I do think our starting system yesterday was shaped around accomodating Adel, and so does Warnock. It often is. He's said that many times. After all he's done in the past, it's understandable to give Adel as many chances as possible to do his stuff. Not sure that will carry on. Personally, I doubt it will for much longer.

At half time yesterday, it totally "went off" (quote from Arry) in the QPR dressing room, and we came out with 2 up top and "stopped giving Spurs too much respect".
So NW did see the problem, and changed it.

Yes, the 1st half was as poor from us as it was brilliant from Spurs... but he saw the problem, and acted on it.
So if the finger of blame for the 1st half can be pointed at Warnock, then surely the credit for the massive improvement after the break can also be credited to him?

Not defending NW for the sake of it here, but let's be fair - Right now, Spurs are too good for us. But the manager did see where it was going wrong, and put it right.

**maverick69** · 31-10-2011, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by SullivanQPR View Post

So playing one up front, and happily accepting defeat to bigger clubs is seen as the problem here?
How do you solve a problem like Taarabt? I do think our starting system yesterday was shaped around accomodating Adel, and so does Warnock. It often is. He's said that many times. After all he's done in the past, it's understandable to give Adel as many chances as possible to do his stuff. Not sure that will carry on. Personally, I doubt it will for much longer.

At half time yesterday, it totally "went off" (quote from Arry) in the QPR dressing room, and we came out with 2 up top and "stopped giving Spurs too much respect".
So NW did see the problem, and changed it.

Yes, the 1st half was as poor from us as it was brilliant from Spurs... but he saw the problem, and acted on it.
So if the finger of blame for the 1st half can be pointed at Warnock, then surely the credit for the massive improvement after the break can also be credited to him?

Not defending NW for the sake of it here, but let's be fair - Right now, Spurs are too good for us. But the manager did see where it was going wrong, and put it right.

Hear, hear

**Kit** · 31-10-2011, 03:35 PM

Whilst I agree with being cautious about NW, he deserves a crack at the Prem and is currently doing ok. What I don't understand is what the fans are actually expecting, Spurs were a class act and had I been a neutral I would have thoroughly enjoyed their play.
We competed in the 2nd half and they scored their 3rd against the run of play at the time. Spurs would have undone many a team yesterday in the first half and will do on many more occasions this season.
We dug out a result against Chelsea, which nobody really saw coming so to say other Prem Managers know how to dig out draws at places like Spurs whereas NW doesn't is a little unfair.
We sit with 12 points currently outside the top half on Goal Difference (Fulham Away) which I am pretty pleased about.
Whether NW cuts it at Prem only time will tell but to me he is doing ok, for now.

**vblockranger** · 31-10-2011, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by SullivanQPR View Post

So playing one up front, and happily accepting defeat to bigger clubs is seen as the problem here?
How do you solve a problem like Taarabt? I do think our starting system yesterday was shaped around accomodating Adel, and so does Warnock. It often is. He's said that many times. After all he's done in the past, it's understandable to give Adel as many chances as possible to do his stuff. Not sure that will carry on. Personally, I doubt it will for much longer.

At half time yesterday, it totally "went off" (quote from Arry) in the QPR dressing room, and we came out with 2 up top and "stopped giving Spurs too much respect".
So NW did see the problem, and changed it.

Yes, the 1st half was as poor from us as it was brilliant from Spurs... but he saw the problem, and acted on it.
So if the finger of blame for the 1st half can be pointed at Warnock, then surely the credit for the massive improvement after the break can also be credited to him?

Not defending NW for the sake of it here, but let's be fair - Right now, Spurs are too good for us. But the manager did see where it was going wrong, and put it right.

manager should have started with the team and tactics that started the second half...what was the tactics for the first half? as you say it was a formation built around Taarabt for him to perform...why? he's been shite for nearly every prem game. Time for Warnock to give up flogging that dead horse and move on so our better players get to play in there preferred position and i think its taken Warnock too many games of sticking with Adel hoping he was going to come good

**SullivanQPR** · 31-10-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by vblockranger View Post

manager should have started with the team and tactics that started the second half...what was the tactics for the first half? as you say it was a formation built around Taarabt for him to perform...why? he's been shite for nearly every prem game. Time for Warnock to give up flogging that dead horse and move on so our better players get to play in there preferred position and i think its taken Warnock too many games of sticking with Adel hoping he was going to come good

After what he has done in the past for us, I don't blame Warnock for giving Adel every chance to shine. He hasn't yet, but can you imagine the fans reaction if he'd ditched him after say, Wigan?
Same with Derry, in a way.
Warnock is very loyal to players, and that is part of the reason that many of them run through brick walls for him. Or sign for him in the first place.

Not having a pop here, but "Should have" is very easy to say now. Yes he should have started the Spurs game with the team that came out in the 2nd half, but do people honestly believe that NW isn't aware of that now?
It wasn't just the formation or selection, it was the attitude that fell short in the 1st half yesterday.
And sorry, I do think that Spurs are simply too good for us, and will be for a few years. Especially on their turf. Sometimes there is little you can do about it.
With the squad we have (for now), we need teams like Spurs and Chelsea to have an off-day if we're going to get results against them - no matter what our formation is. Chelsea did. Spurs didn't.

**stainrodisalegend** · 31-10-2011, 04:29 PM

youve got to love all these comments about "colin" and how he is doing "ok". what did people expect this season? we would almost certainly have lost away to spurs on that form, whatever our team, whatever our formation. Have fans forgotten what Warnock did for us last season ALREADY? Amazing really.

**MattyRangers** · 31-10-2011, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by SullivanQPR View Post

So playing one up front, and happily accepting defeat to bigger clubs is seen as the problem here?
How do you solve a problem like Taarabt? I do think our starting system yesterday was shaped around accomodating Adel, and so does Warnock. It often is. He's said that many times. After all he's done in the past, it's understandable to give Adel as many chances as possible to do his stuff. Not sure that will carry on. Personally, I doubt it will for much longer.

At half time yesterday, it totally "went off" (quote from Arry) in the QPR dressing room, and we came out with 2 up top and "stopped giving Spurs too much respect".
So NW did see the problem, and changed it.

Yes, the 1st half was as poor from us as it was brilliant from Spurs... but he saw the problem, and acted on it.
So if the finger of blame for the 1st half can be pointed at Warnock, then surely the credit for the massive improvement after the break can also be credited to him?

Not defending NW for the sake of it here, but let's be fair - Right now, Spurs are too good for us. But the manager did see where it was going wrong, and put it right.

Originally posted by SullivanQPR View Post

After what he has done in the past for us, I don't blame Warnock for giving Adel every chance to shine. He hasn't yet, but can you imagine the fans reaction if he'd ditched him after say, Wigan?
Same with Derry, in a way.
Warnock is very loyal to players, and that is part of the reason that many of them run through brick walls for him. Or sign for him in the first place.

Not having a pop here, but "Should have" is very easy to say now. Yes he should have started the Spurs game with the team that came out in the 2nd half, but do people honestly believe that NW isn't aware of that now?
It wasn't just the formation or selection, it was the attitude that fell short in the 1st half yesterday.
And sorry, I do think that Spurs are simply too good for us, and will be for a few years. Especially on their turf. Sometimes there is little you can do about it.
With the squad we have (for now), we need teams like Spurs and Chelsea to have an off-day if we're going to get results against them - no matter what our formation is. Chelsea did. Spurs didn't.

Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View Post

youve got to love all these comments about "colin" and how he is doing "ok". what did people expect this season? we would almost certainly have lost away to spurs on that form, whatever our team, whatever our formation. Have fans forgotten what Warnock did for us last season ALREADY? Amazing really.

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