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  • SheepRanger

    #1

    Most important signing of the summer

    Paying off the loan to Amulya and getting HQ back. I assume this issue, after paying off the ABC loan, is still outstanding?

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    David McIntyre Blog -The loan: in 5 minutes

    Just a quick post – and a massive over-simplification – about a letter sent to shareholders regarding the non-repayment of a £10m loan to Amulya.

    Here’s the broad thrust of what it’s all about…

    Most QPR fans are aware of the infamous ABC loan. This was a £10m loan which enabled the club to come out of administration in 2002, paying Chris Wright some of the money he was owed as a result of his time as chairman and owner.

    This loan was bad news, and the interest repayments alone were a noose around the club’s neck. It meant that ABC Corporation, in loaning QPR that money, had the right to acquire Loftus Road should that loan not be repaid at the due date. In short, Loftus Road was used as collateral to secure that loan.

    What’s never said about the ABC loan is that a large chunk of it was also used to fund QPR’s promotion by making the club the biggest spenders in Division Two. Without that additional capital, it’s doubtful Rangers would have gone up. Most wrongly believe that promotion was achieved on a shoestring.

    Before and after the 2007 takeover, the ABC loan was a big issue facing the club, and by definition the new owners.

    In order for QPR to repay ABC, the club was loaned £10m by Amulya – a company the club say Flavio Briatore and Amit Bhatia have an interest in.

    This did NOT mean that the issue of the £10m loan had gone away. It meant that the loan had been transferred from ABC to Amulya, who then had the option to acquire Loftus Road just as ABC did previously.

    The loan to Amulya was due to be repaid by QPR by the end of July 2010, at which time the likes of Briatore expected to be owning a Premier League club, with all the financial rewards that brings.

    When the loan was not repaid by QPR to Amulya, the ‘deadline’ for the club to repay it was extended to the end of October 2010 and then to the end of January 2011.

    With the second date now passed, the directors are looking to move it to May 2011 – by which time they really do expect QPR to be in the Premier League.

    In the meantime, Loftus Road will remain as their collateral, or to put it another way, their insurance, should that not happen and the loan remain unpaid.

    Like ABC, Amulya have the option to effectively acquire the stadium for the £10m they loaned to QPR (even though the stadium was last valued at more than £21m).

    This can seem confusing, and I’ve been asked how the directors can “default on their own loan”. The answer is to stop seeing QPR and the owners as one and the same. They’re not.

    The loan isn’t “theirs” and neither is the default on the repayment. It’s QPR’s alone.

    The club was given that £10m by Amulya to repay the ABC loan. And like that previous loan, QPR must repay it or face the prospect of losing Loftus Road.

    The bottom line is that the ‘sorting’ of the ABC loan was no more intended to be a gift to QPR on the part of the current owners than Wright’s investment back in the mid-90s. Both were directors’ loans – a fact that in both cases was overlooked because of the hype surrounding the respective regimes and their willingness to spend money on players.

    And in an important sense, those two eras are linked by this £10m loan. The Amulya loan was used to pay off the ABC loan, which was arranged in response to the troublesome directors’ loans that QPR were not in a position to repay in 2001, when Wright quit.

    Got that? It’s a loan to repay the loan that settled the other loan." Dave McIntyre Blog
  • 80sCasual
    CCG
    • Dec 2009
    • 9231

    #2
    And I thought my own debts were bad.
    Queens Park Rangers
    NPower Champions 2010/2011

    PREMIER LEAGUE 2011 - ETERNITY (Oh well got that wrong, we'll be back though)

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    • scottyboy007
      Apprentice
      • Mar 2009
      • 247

      #3
      It does annoy me when people start a thread on a subject which they have no idea about!
      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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      • haqpr1963
        Silver Seat
        • Mar 2009
        • 1669

        #4
        Originally posted by scottyboy007
        It does annoy me when people start a thread on a subject which they have no idea about!
        And it does annoy me when people who have now idea reply to it.....
        A message to the other Premier League clubs when they visit Loftus Road.....

        "NUESTRA GLORIA, VUESTRO INFIERNO"

        (If you don't understand it, then learn Spanish. It is the language of world football.....)

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        • scottyboy007
          Apprentice
          • Mar 2009
          • 247

          #5
          Originally posted by haqpr1963
          And it does annoy me when people who have now idea reply to it.....
          couldnt agree more .........

          so do you understand it?
          The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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          • SheepRanger

            #6
            Originally posted by scottyboy007
            It does annoy me when people start a thread on a subject which they have no idea about!
            I think I'm up to speed with it thanks, apart from the lack of a club update since May.

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            • Shamie
              Silver Seat
              • Mar 2009
              • 1718

              #7
              Originally posted by scottyboy007
              It does annoy me when people start a thread on a subject which they have no idea about!
              Twice in the last few days you've bitten at threads on this topic.

              If you know the ins and outs of whats going on then do please share.
              Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde.

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              • vblockranger
                • Mar 2009
                • 15218

                #8
                Originally posted by Shamie
                Twice in the last few days you've bitten at threads on this topic.

                If you know the ins and outs of whats going on then do please share.
                dont think Scotty is a sharer...and i reckon he knows nothing about nothing

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                • scottyboy007
                  Apprentice
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 247

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Shamie
                  Twice in the last few days you've bitten at threads on this topic.

                  If you know the ins and outs of whats going on then do please share.
                  Because whenever anyone starts a thread on this topic they never explain why the concern..... it just sound like a negative post and a dig at the owners. At least provide a balanced view and reasoning for the concerns.

                  I could fully understand why everyone was concerned regarding the ABC loan as that put QPR FC in great danger of losing its biggest asset "Loftus Road".

                  This is completely different............ Ask yourself this question.... If QPR pay back the loan now, what is the benefit or implications to QPR?

                  Before you answer, think who are the owners of Amulya and who are the significant shareholder at QPR. Think of it from a business viewpoint, think of the cash flow, think of it if you were the owner of QPR, think of it if you were the owner of Amulya.

                  PS I do know the Ins and Out - thank you very much
                  The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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                  • indianalondon
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1107

                    #10
                    Sorry but dave is full of utter **** on parts of this. the abc loan money was certainly not spent on funding our promotion. if anyone looks back at the accounts well you can check for yourself!....i want to know where the abc loan money actually went (or who's pocket it went in)

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                    • indianalondon
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 1107

                      #11
                      Originally posted by scottyboy007
                      Because whenever anyone starts a thread on this topic they never explain why the concern..... it just sound like a negative post and a dig at the owners. At least provide a balanced view and reasoning for the concerns.

                      I could fully understand why everyone was concerned regarding the ABC loan as that put QPR FC in great danger of losing its biggest asset "Loftus Road".

                      This is completely different............ Ask yourself this question.... If QPR pay back the loan now, what is the benefit or implications to QPR?

                      Before you answer, think who are the owners of Amulya and who are the significant shareholder at QPR. Think of it from a business viewpoint, think of the cash flow, think of it if you were the owner of QPR, think of it if you were the owner of Amulya.

                      PS I do know the Ins and Out - thank you very much
                      People often forget the FACTS. Amulya is AMIT (not the mittals) and FLAVIO (not bernie)

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                      • scottyboy007
                        Apprentice
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 247

                        #12
                        Originally posted by indianalondon
                        People often forget the FACTS. Amulya is AMIT (not the mittals) and FLAVIO (not bernie)
                        That is correct, something which is not forgotten on my part.... but what is your point? Do you view this to be a negative or a positive?
                        The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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                        • indianalondon
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1107

                          #13
                          Originally posted by scottyboy007
                          That is correct, something which is not forgotten on my part.... but what is your point? Do you view this to be a negative or a positive?
                          i see it as a very strong negotiating tool of flavios..i also doubt he'll want to give it up

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                          • scottyboy007
                            Apprentice
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 247

                            #14
                            Originally posted by indianalondon
                            i see it as a very strong negotiating tool of flavios..i also doubt he'll want to give it up
                            Well not really...... e.g. Mittal buys out all other qpr shares.... then all Mittal has to do is pay back the loan under the terms of the loan....

                            If Mittal still wanted a loan type deal... then Amit create's a new company ala Amulya and the new company loans qpr £10m (or whatever the amount) using the ground to secure the loan.....

                            Simple really.
                            The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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                            • kron-1664
                              Silver Seat
                              • May 2009
                              • 4403

                              #15
                              This is a straight forward business tactic, no one in theit right mind would buy a club pay off its debt and not hold security on the asset.

                              The situation was extremely clear in 2007, if we didnt have the flavio ,bernie investment we would have gone into administration. We are 'in their hands' completely and we will only be as good as they want us to be. If someone now wants to buy into QPR from them they would cover all of this Amulya debt but i would almost 100% guarantee they will do the same, use the asset as security.

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