18,200 in the Premier league

[Nodge70]

That was generally understood to be the case last year....turned out to be wrong.

EC ruling in favour of the Portsmouth landlady since that point has killed it.

[silvercue]

As has been pointed, the other drawback of having a small capacity is the lower income which will need to be offset by raising admission prices. The problem with this is it will price out many fans and gates will drop.

That problem is far worse if we do move. Teams that move to new stadiums put the prices up, massively. If we move prices will double and new fans will come and replace those of us that can't afford to go anymore.

I do agree that a bigger stadium is preferable, but there is a lot more to consider. Arsenal were infinately more succesful in their tiny little ground. Hasn't helped Southhampton and many, many others.

[Olly]

arsenal's ground was £262m for 60,000, I presume that was land, buyouts and everything. how much would ours cost? another 7000 seats would raise about £5m, or 12,000, about £8m per season.

[silvercue]

EC ruling in favour of the Portsmouth landlady since that point has killed it.

The increase is all for overseas markets, not UK. We will have to wait and see, you may be right.

[qpr333]

Buying out the houses on back of Ellerslie Rd and the school behind School End for increasing LR capacity is more likely than building new stadium in the next 2-3 years at least, which is cheaper option and not too risky from investment pt of view. And more importnat we`ll keep us at LR for years ahead as well as close to Central London from business perspective.

[Olly]

wages and transfers will come down, they have to. west ham were running at 98% outlay on wages, and portsmouth at 91%, before steps had to be taken. If platini gets his way on the CL directive, then all clubs will have to follow suit eventually, I would imagine

[Phil's R's]

I feel we really do have to move forward and not wait & see, ok next season is our first back in the big time, but the search should start now for a new ground, ok we only got around 14,000+ average this year, but looked what happened in the games like hull & leeds, the ticket office couldn't handle the pressure of only having around 12,000 seats to sell (not sure how many season tickets we have , so thats only a guess), when you look who will be down the bush next season : FULL HOUSE, chelsea,man u, man c, arsenal, spurs, liverpool, fulham, villa, infact we will get around 16,000 for the likes of wigan, wba, wolves, blackpool (if these few stay up) , so if we do stay up next season and have a steady outfit that can "hold there own) then a 25,000 stadium is a must i think. but where? that's problem, i know.

[Nodge70]

Buying out the houses on back of Ellerslie Rd and the school behind School End for increasing LR capacity is more likely than building new stadium in the next 2-3 years at least, which is cheaper option and not too risky from investment pt of view.

It's massively risky!

How high do you think you could get the stand before the householders on the other side of the road lodge complaints against the planning due to natural light issue. Access and egress during any building and match days would be very difficult.

How many additional seats and corporate seating/facilities would you be able to add - 5k tops? For an outlay of bare minimum of around £35m, it really isn't worth the sunk costs. Sums just don't add up for me. That £35m is a good proportion of a new stadium.

[qpr333]

It's massively risky!

How high do you think you could get the stand before the householders on the other side of the road lodge complaints against the planning due to natural light issue. Access and egress during any building and match days would be very difficult.

How many additional seats and corporate seating/facilities would you be able to add - 5k tops? For an outlay of bare minimum of around £35m, it really isn't worth the sunk costs. Sums just don't add up for me. That £35m is a good proportion of a new stadium.

tbh I don`t know. I prefer a new stadium for 30K but it`s obvious will not happen in the next 3-4 years, don`t you think so? By then we will have to stick with the current capacity at LR or to share with Fulham theirs and none of these 2 options is acceptable by the majority of the fans.

[stanistheman]

what about if we come down with a 25k stadium and can only get 14k?

Well for one thing we would all probably have more leg room and better views

[stanistheman]

That problem is far worse if we do move. Teams that move to new stadiums put the prices up, massively. If we move prices will double and new fans will come and replace those of us that can't afford to go anymore.

I do agree that a bigger stadium is preferable, but there is a lot more to consider. Arsenal were infinately more succesful in their tiny little ground. Hasn't helped Southhampton and many, many others.

And has it hindered Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland, Wigan, Middlesboro, Reading? Even Leicester and Derby are getting bigger crowds now at their new stadiums than they did at the old ones.

What would QPR's gate income be from 18,200 fans at Loftus Road?
18,200 at £30 would be £546,000. But many tickets would cost less than £30 if concessions are available.
25,000 @£25 would bring in £625,000 or 30,000 £750,000 per game.

I think those sums would suggest it would be easier to seel more tickets at cheaper prices.

[Gerryhatrick]

The football business is about entertainment, and how good the club is at promoting that entertainment with marketing and promo's etc.
The future is about a modern, almost americanised product and comfortable facilities.
If going to watch your favorite team was more like going to Planet Hollywood than visiting someone in prison, more fans would be attracted to it.
Not saying thats what I want, just what the future is.

[W12_Ranger]

Such a tiresome debate, we will have approx 16k tickets for R's fans next season. Lets see how well we do first and foremost in the PL and let the Board assess what the real demand is for tickets not what the assumed demand is. I've a funny feeling it will fall way short of a lot of fans expectations on here and might justify rebuilding one stand if at all possible.