FA powerless to deduct points after last game

[silvercue]

Good summary Leveller, but I don't see what point you are disagreeing with from me. Neither us or Norwhich are Premier League clubs at the moment and if you are in the play offs, the season finishes after that final result is concluded.

[stainrodisalegend]

Thanks Leveller, good summary

[swanleyhoop]

What the leveller has said might be why, in practical terms, season-long loans end on the final whistle of the final game -- to play in playoffs, an extension has to be agreed, as we had to do with Kevin McLeod in 2003.

[W12_Ranger]

I beg to differ based on a rule book albeit not this years and unless they have changed the rule aspect of what was rule 10.

10.1.1.2 At the end of each Season, the two Clubs finishing in the highest positions
in the First Division of The League shall be promoted to The Premier
League in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations
of The Premier League. The four next highest Clubs in the First Division
shall take part in a Play-Off Competition. The winner of the Play-Off
Competition shall also be promoted to The Premier League upon the
same terms.

The same handbook defines the season as I stated before:

‘Season’ means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match and, or each Club, ending immediately after the completion of the Club’s final fixture of the League Championship or, if the Club is participating in the Play-Offs, the final Play-Off match for that Club.

So technical subject to the provisions of the PL rules and regulations the club is promoted and that takes affect in June.

It is stated that part of this affair began after the club raised the potential breach or sought clarity on the matter. It is stated that it then was referred to the FA after the FL could not decide/rule on it.

In what was rule 7 and still may be it states:


Where a matter is referred to The Football Association, it shall be entitled to exercise all the powers and sanctions set out in these Regulations in relation to the Football League Club, its Officials and Players.

With regards to discipline there is a long range of sanctions, points and fines etc.

More interestingly if the FA is excising its powers under the referral process there is a 28 day appeal process.

The point is that technically for the club if a sanction be applied that takes away the Championship, if so where does club then sit in the table. Is it going to make other clubs unhappy. Even then there is a 28 day appeal procedure if this rule is being applied. Total chaos not just who goes up, who stays, the transfer market. Even if the points deduction was a very large one and was to take immediate affect, the season, as defined by the FL is over around the time the referee blows their whistle, unless of course it is served before 2pm Saturday. The words are the words, and in law these are what will be applied, people in the FA may like to get around a tight time frame but they are on the edge of a legal minefield.

WTF that is some heavyweight summary there!!! I have not seen a commentator on this case within the mainstream media who comes within a mile of your understanding of it and the complex issues surounding it. I'm very grateful to have you on board.

[The Leveller]

There is no such thing as "promotion" until the teams from the league above are relegated. Therefore we are a still a Championship club, not a Premier League Club, just like Norwich, until the Premier League relegation is settled (despite what the media have been reporting).

As such, we are under FA Championship rules and they can deduct points until the season is concluded - which is the once the play off final result has been concluded.

I beg to differ based on a rule book albeit not this years and unless they have changed the rule aspect of what was rule 10.

10.1.1.2 At the end of each Season, the two Clubs finishing in the highest positions
in the First Division of The League shall be promoted to The Premier
League in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations
of The Premier League. The four next highest Clubs in the First Division
shall take part in a Play-Off Competition. The winner of the Play-Off
Competition shall also be promoted to The Premier League upon the
same terms.

The same handbook defines the season as I stated before:

‘Season’ means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match and, or each Club, ending immediately after the completion of the Club’s final fixture of the League Championship or, if the Club is participating in the Play-Offs, the final Play-Off match for that Club.

So technical subject to the provisions of the PL rules and regulations the club is promoted and that takes affect in June.

It is stated that part of this affair began after the club raised the potential breach or sought clarity on the matter. It is stated that it then was referred to the FA after the FL could not decide/rule on it.

In what was rule 7 and still may be it states:


Where a matter is referred to The Football Association, it shall be entitled to exercise all the powers and sanctions set out in these Regulations in relation to the Football League Club, its Officials and Players.

With regards to discipline there is a long range of sanctions, points and fines etc.

More interestingly if the FA is excising its powers under the referral process there is a 28 day appeal process.

The point is that technically for the club if a sanction be applied that takes away the Championship, if so where does club then sit in the table. Is it going to make other clubs unhappy. Even then there is a 28 day appeal procedure if this rule is being applied. Total chaos not just who goes up, who stays, the transfer market. Even if the points deduction was a very large one and was to take immediate affect, the season, as defined by the FL is over around the time the referee blows their whistle, unless of course it is served before 2pm Saturday. The words are the words, and in law these are what will be applied, people in the FA may like to get around a tight time frame but they are on the edge of a legal minefield.

[qblockpete]

same as above

We are not officially up until after Premiership has finished.

[silvercue]

There is no such thing as "promotion" until the teams from the league above are relegated. Therefore we are a still a Championship club, not a Premier League Club, just like Norwich, until the Premier League relegation is settled (despite what the media have been reporting).

As such, we are under FA Championship rules and they can deduct points until the season is concluded - which is the once the play off final result has been concluded.

[rangerforevereastcote]

But does the season officially finish on Saturday, or when the Premier League finishes, ive been told no one is promoted until teams are relegated, at the moment none are.

i was told that up until the premier league agm when clubs get accepted into the league we are still uder football league juristiction, i think that board meeting happens till june , , anyone able to confirm deny?

[The Leveller]

Thanks leveller. Do you think then FA delaying means points deduction next season likely? Because any more than 3 would make it very tough to turn round and could make it a complete waste of a season (if say 10 point deduction)

My guess estimate is whilst the QC's had a basis of understanding how long it would take to do, it has taken longer. Ian Mill brought a lot into play.

The FA QC will take the panel through the salient points making a summary of what is relevant to consider and whether they meet the test of probability or not. This will be charge by charge I believe, very unsound to do otherwise. This cannot be rushed and the FA through the IRC QC will want 'Due Process' to be fully discharged.

As for next season, I went through 1969, so I prefer not to consider that because it is speculation at this point in time and may be subject to further action on the QPR roller-coaster.

[QPRJACK123]

surely if we lift the trophy on saturday, our name will be engraved?

[Pyrford Ranger]

Thanks leveller. Do you think then FA delaying means points deduction next season likely? Because any more than 3 would make it very tough to turn round and could make it a complete waste of a season (if say 10 point deduction)

[bluehoopa]

i didnt think the season ended till end of june as you cant talk or sign players for the new season before then or am i wrong????

[The Leveller]

Dont believe this. If it was true that the FA cant take away points after the Leeds game, it would be plastered all over the news right about now. They just had a sports lawyer expert on ssn, surely he would of said it if it was true.

You have to go to the source which is the FL rules and yes they use the FA rules which they are required to do except for those that are optional.

They also therefore use normal playing season, but as the body responsible they then have to determine that and is or at least was by the FL as follows:

'Season’ means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match and,for each Club, ending immediately after the completion of the Club’s final fixture of the League Championship or, if the Club is participating in the Play-Offs, the final Play-Off match for that Club.

So unless that definition has changed by my reading and understanding of the English language that is it. The season is finished when the Ref blow his whistle at just after 2pm.

And then we are the Champions and time for a knees up and the odd gallon in the Crown and Scepter

[Sexton75]

I remember Swindon being promoted, then relegated, after parading with a trophy.

[WeAreQPR12]

Dont believe this. If it was true that the FA cant take away points after the Leeds game, it would be plastered all over the news right about now. They just had a sports lawyer expert on ssn, surely he would of said it if it was true.

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