Leeds get 1,800 tickets for final day showdown...

[QPRWEBBIE]

So paying for a ST before you know how the season is going to pan out, and going to 23 home games is not loyal then, oh that's without counting the away games too by the way.

Always gonna be differing opinions, i accept the away games can be a trek but others are just up the road to some as we do have fans based outside the bush you now. So for some distance travelled to home games is further than away games. Does that not make them loyal in your eyes - every home game probably being more like an away game to the fans who have to travel some way.

And as i stated in an earlier post i travelled to all home games living in Southampton also the away games in which i travelled to London first to pick me mates up.Does tat make me Double loyal ? This debate could go on forever as a lot of supporters say there loyal coz they give up there odd saturdays to watch there team !

[stanley75]

So paying for a ST before you know how the season is going to pan out, and going to 23 home games is not loyal then, oh that's without counting the away games too by the way.

Always gonna be differing opinions, i accept the away games can be a trek but others are just up the road to some as we do have fans based outside the bush you now. So for some distance travelled to home games is further than away games. Does that not make them loyal in your eyes - every home game probably being more like an away game to the fans who have to travel some way.

Slightly different things tbh. A season ticket is not just a commitment of "loyalty" it is essentailly a discount offer. If you are going to go anyway (or value the guarantee of a particular seat/s) it gives you that. I know single ticket goers that go to more games than ST holders just as the ST boys can afford to pay to reserve.

Going away regular means nothing more than you go away regular. So it seems to me fair enough that for the regular away traveller should get first dibs on an away ticket.

The way Rangers have tried to do it is fair enough tbh- they have tried to make it a little bit based on both home and away. the problem is the bias to the home supporting ST holder that never goes away. The Leeds scheme seems to address that better imo.

[JudoRanger]

the system qpr used does enable the 'more' loyal (if thats what you want to call it) supporters to get tickets first.

ST renewals get 70pts - when you buy your ST you are showing loyalty as you dont know how the season will pan out.

If you go to away games you get extra pts - so those with over 100 have been to a fair few away games and the home games - so they should be the ones rewarded.

So all this talk of it only helps the fans who go to home games is wrong - the more you go away, the more points you have, the earlier you can get your ticket.

Regular away travellers are likely to have away ST's anyway.

Seems a fair system so me.

[stanley75]

the system qpr used does enable the 'more' loyal (if thats what you want to call it) supporters to get tickets first.

ST renewals get 70pts - when you buy your ST you are showing loyalty as you dont know how the season will pan out.

If you go to away games you get extra pts - so those with over 100 have been to a fair few away games and the home games - so they should be the ones rewarded.

So all this talk of it only helps the fans who go to home games is wrong - the more you go away, the more points you have, the earlier you can get your ticket.

Regular away travellers are likely to have away ST's anyway.

Seems a fair system so me.

I am not disagreeing with the general point. There is no perfect system I grant you. But the weakness of the Rangers one is ST + Palace away (1 loyalty point) = first dibs at these away tickets. But any amount of home games without a ST plus 14 aways gets you nowt. I think that is the gripe.

Actually the best fix would have been to make the first wave away STs and 150+points, the second 90+ (meaning ST holders that travel a bit), the third 50+ (meaning non-travelling ST holders and non ST holding travellers in same group) and then general sale.

An alternative is that home tickets also get loytalty points that can, if you go to all, = the same or close to the same as the ST.

There you go - that';s that sorted. Comical Ali got paid for old rope that took 5 minutes!

[QPRWEBBIE]

Slightly different things tbh. A season ticket is not just a commitment of "loyalty" it is essentailly a discount offer. If you are going to go anyway (or value the guarantee of a particular seat/s) it gives you that. I know single ticket goers that go to more games than ST holders just as the ST boys can afford to pay to reserve.

Going away regular means nothing more than you go away regular. So it seems to me fair enough that for the regular away traveller should get first dibs on an away ticket.

The way Rangers have tried to do it is fair enough tbh- they have tried to make it a little bit based on both home and away. the problem is the bias to the home supporting ST holder that never goes away. The Leeds scheme seems to address that better imo.

Totally agree if s/t holders go to away games they will get there tkts like the current away travellers, i pay far more money to our club during a season coz im not in a position to pay for all my tkts up front (so dont get a discount)like some lucky others.

[QPRWEBBIE]

I am not disagreeing with the general point. There is no perfect system I grant you. But the weakness of the Rangers one is ST + Palace away + first dibs but any amount of home games plus 14 aways gets you nowt. I think that is the gripe.

Actually the best fix would have been to make the first wave away STs and 150+points, the second 90+ (meaning ST holders that travel a bit), the third 50+ (meaning non-travelling ST holders and non ST holding travellers in same group) and then general sale.

There you go - that is that sorted.

Why not start everybody on zero,the people who pay for season tkts have there loyalty rewarded by getting a discount,then whoever wants to go to away games are on the same level,coz after all we are talking about AWAY games.

[stanley75]

Why not start everybody on zero,the people who pay for season tkts have there loyalty rewarded by getting a discount,then whoever wants to go to away games are on the same level,coz after all we are talking about AWAY games.

I think home support also counts. For example, an ST holder up against someone who has only been to Palace away???? Should that mhat mean Palace boy trumps the ST holder. That seems a bit unfair as well.

I said earlier there aint a perfect system but for my money the bias for away tickets ought to favour those that have previously travelled. I can see why the club wants to use ST ownership in this way as it may be an invisible benefit and attraction to buy one. But it isn't particularly fair.

Rangers did alright to be honest. Just could have done a little bit better. That's all.

[Sotonian Ranger]

Yes like me who travels from my hometown of Southampton to watch home matches whereas away matches over the years have been nearer such as Saints,Pompey,Bournemouth or even Reading-I could go to St. Mary's but I'd rather watch football!!

[Sotonian Ranger]

I'm still looking for 1-2 tickets for the Leeds home game and 1-2 tickets for the Watford away game if anyone can help please pm me. Thanks.

[Macca69]

I am not disagreeing with the general point. There is no perfect system I grant you. But the weakness of the Rangers one is ST + Palace away (1 loyalty point) = first dibs at these away tickets. But any amount of home games without a ST plus 14 aways gets you nowt. I think that is the gripe.

Actually the best fix would have been to make the first wave away STs and 150+points, the second 90+ (meaning ST holders that travel a bit), the third 50+ (meaning non-travelling ST holders and non ST holding travellers in same group) and then general sale.

An alternative is that home tickets also get loytalty points that can, if you go to all, = the same or close to the same as the ST.

There you go - that';s that sorted. Comical Ali got paid for old rope that took 5 minutes!

I don't think that is right - ST is either 70 points (if renewed) or 50 points if new ST so a ST holder who went to Palace would have either 71 or 51 points, so not enough to get first dibs.

[stanley75]

I don't think that is right - ST is either 70 points (if renewed) or 50 points if new ST so a ST holder who went to Palace would have either 71 or 51 points, so not enough to get first dibs.

You are right - I know what I meant but didn't explain it well. I was trying to illustrate that an ST (I meant a renewal) + one London away game trumps the travelling fan without any ST even if they go to most. But you are right first dibs has a higher bar.

[waterbuffalo]

Just to add to this, rather than start another thread.

A colleague of mine is a dirty Leeds fan and he took great pleasure in telling me that at the start of the season they check who they are playing last game and, if away, join that clubs membership scheme so that they can swamp the ground on all sides.

He said that part of the reason that our ticketing system was clogged up when the tickets went on sale is because of the few thousand dirty Leeds fans with R's memberships buying tickets.

I didn't really believe him but I did pause for thought when I considered the distinct lack of a stampede for Sheffield Utd, Derby and Hull tickets.

Still don't believe him but he's absolutely convinced it's the case and started yapping on about when they've done it in the past, at which stage I stopped paying attention before I slipped into a coma from boredom and complete apathy.

great post ..informative and funny!

[Nodge70]

Loyalty is entirely subjective and completely emotive.

One person's idea of loyalty doesn't necessarily match the next persons.

Is someone more loyal purely because they have a season ticket than someone who scrimps and saves all their available disposal income to come to 5 games per season and buys a shirt. Tell that guy he isn't loyal.