Realism

[SoCal]

9 points above relegation
5 points from playoffs (well 6 coz our goal diff sucks)

I’ve been massively disappointed with the last 2 games, I’ve watched all this season and most are frustrating.

in August I would have taken this going into the 2nd international break. Big improvement on last 3 years

we are not going down I would like to see 3 5 2

Mbengue
Dunne
Morrison ( RND, Cook etc)

Saito
Madson
chair (Vale)
Field (Isaac Varane ?)
Smith

Burrell
Kone. ( I don’t think he’s a 10 in a 4231)

lots of other options Dembele Poku Morgan Kolli

Not going down, Not going up, Not going out (sorry I’m a Lee Mack fan )

maybe 5th round of FA Cup ?…………….. Naaaah

[shaggy24]

Reality is putting your best 11 out pick a settled back 3 or 4 to start if players get a knock then use the squad

rotation good if it works and tbh it hasn’t on the Rhs we’ve had vale, dembele and smyth out there we’ve only played 13 games

The only 2 players that look definite starters this season are Burrell and Madsen and he’s starting look like our play maker but he’d be better off with 2 x defending midfielders with him

jimmy tbh has been poor as captain imo we create sod all out wide

reality is we are bang average mid to bottom half win some lose some squad with 2 x shite gk

[Mem]

The run we are on is worrying though. Players lacking confidence and bereft of ideas with manager looking clueless and constantly tinkering.

We could easily get dragged in as expect Sheff U and Norwich to improve.

Sheff W are effectively down and hopefully Leicester get a points deduction too, although that’s gone quiet?

[QPRFCJIM]

Has Chair coming back unbalanced what was building? Just a thought.

[Abseits]

We are in freefall with barely any scrappers in our team - teams are hitting their stride, we aren't though.

We did better with an injury ravaged squad where the team picked itself. As more players became fit and available the manager has become clueless and indecisive and doesn't know his best formation or XI.

To me, a dodgy manager and weak-minded team is only going to go one way this season and it won't be upwards.

[OB1]

I don't understand the negativity towards the team at the moment. The championship is a slog, still a lot of games to play. League table doesn't mean a whole lot until Xmas. As for the game yesterday evening, we had the chances to win it in the first half, and again a number in second half. Another game they go in and we get 3 points, and this isn't a topic of conversation. Be patient and get behind the team and the results come.

[SheepRanger]

Promotion discussions are all a bit of fun, but the reality is that 60-65 points is where we'll be. Sell £10m worth of players and we start again. We have young players or those stepping up a division cutting their teeth in the first team and they will make mistakes. Such is life as a QPR supporter.

[3London]

The manager needs to pick his first 11 and stick with it - 5 changes is too much! I think he is still working that out and now he has near fully fit squad it’s showing his indecisiveness.

i bet Frank lampard doesn’t make changes every game.

[DJ Hooper W12]

I don't understand the negativity towards the team at the moment. The championship is a slog, still a lot of games to play. League table doesn't mean a whole lot until Xmas. As for the game yesterday evening, we had the chances to win it in the first half, and again a number in second half. Another game they go in and we get 3 points, and this isn't a topic of conversation. Be patient and get behind the team and the results come.

Negativity is the result of travelling into west London and seeing your team get beat consistently by teams they are more than capable of beating. Hope this helps

[OB1]

Negativity is the result of travelling into west London and seeing your team get beat consistently by teams they are more than capable of beating. Hope this helps

Completely understand that, we will beat teams that we should of lost to, and lose to teams we should of beaten. Unfortunately at this moment in time it's more of the latter.

[Harrow QPR]

Completely understand that, we will beat teams that we should of lost to, and lose to teams we should of beaten. Unfortunately at this moment in time it's more of the latter.

What teams have we beaten at home that we should have lost too ? We only beat Charlton and Stoke and both of them were a struggle.
We have some good players but we are a poor side. We only start playing after we go a goal or two down and then its all huff and puff . How about we huff and puff from the start then maybe we don't go a goal or two down. Our home record over the last few years is abysmal , maybe that is why all the negativity.

[72bus]

Just watched the goals from last night., mbegs mistake it happens , but dembele half hearted chase back is not on , he'd only been on the pitch a while ....but gave up the chase ..w@nker

[ragr]

The realist view for me is that this is a version of the club - not just the team - that is entirely at odds with what supporters want and expect. And it's out in the open.

The owners want to stem the flow of money into the club from themselves, and I don't criticise them for wanting that, and the only way that can happen is through player sales. More specifically, it's through developing and selling on younger players. All of those recruits know that we are not a destination, we're a station on the rails to somewhere else. Modern players are often mercenaries at the best of times but this approach doubles down on that. More than that though; even if those players do do well and get sold on then we pick up more players at the same level those players were previously at when they joined the club and the whole process of development begins again which is actually stasis for the club on the pitch albeit not necessarily financially and that's because the vast majority of those players are not going to be Eze or Raheem. These developed players are most likely to end up at better Championship sides rather than Premier League ones. There will be profits but not enough for the team on the pitch to markedly improve.

To be consistent in the Championship you need a core of experienced players who are the first 7-11 names on the team sheet each week, with the younger players getting a look in following injury or loss of form - eventually some of those will inherit the first name on the sheet privilege. If you want to shop window players and constantly tinker so those younger players get spotlight time then the price will be the kind of inconsistency that we see with us pretty much on a permanent basis at the moment.

The real cost is what feels like a detachment between club and supporters. How long can supporters turn up and give their time and support to a club that actually has no connection to the permanent support because the club is largely made up of people knowingly just passing through? We all know that that's the nature of things for a lot of football clubs - no connection, no loyalty, no specific desire to play for the club you're at - and always has been. Today though it feels like it's the expected norm rather than just for a minority of the club's staff. Frankly, I'm surprised that supporters have as much patience as they do and come back again and again because that devotion doesn't feel either genuinely appreciated or reciprocated by clubs.

Still, you've got to laugh.

[Acton Stations]

The realist view for me is that this is a version of the club - not just the team - that is entirely at odds with what supporters want and expect. And it's out in the open.......

......Still, you've got to laugh.

Don't worry ... throughout the second half on Saturday I was in stitches.

[72bus]

The realist view for me is that this is a version of the club - not just the team - that is entirely at odds with what supporters want and expect. And it's out in the open.

The owners want to stem the flow of money into the club from themselves, and I don't criticise them for wanting that, and the only way that can happen is through player sales. More specifically, it's through developing and selling on younger players. All of those recruits know that we are not a destination, we're a station on the rails to somewhere else. Modern players are often mercenaries at the best of times but this approach doubles down on that. More than that though; even if those players do do well and get sold on then we pick up more players at the same level those players were previously at when they joined the club and the whole process of development begins again which is actually stasis for the club on the pitch albeit not necessarily financially and that's because the vast majority of those players are not going to be Eze or Raheem. These developed players are most likely to end up at better Championship sides rather than Premier League ones. There will be profits but not enough for the team on the pitch to markedly improve.

To be consistent in the Championship you need a core of experienced players who are the first 7-11 names on the team sheet each week, with the younger players getting a look in following injury or loss of form - eventually some of those will inherit the first name on the sheet privilege. If you want to shop window players and constantly tinker so those younger players get spotlight time then the price will be the kind of inconsistency that we see with us pretty much on a permanent basis at the moment.

The real cost is what feels like a detachment between club and supporters. How long can supporters turn up and give their time and support to a club that actually has no connection to the permanent support because the club is largely made up of people knowingly just passing through? We all know that that's the nature of things for a lot of football clubs - no connection, no loyalty, no specific desire to play for the club you're at - and always has been. Today though it feels like it's the expected norm rather than just for a minority of the club's staff. Frankly, I'm surprised that supporters have as much patience as they do and come back again and again because that devotion doesn't feel either genuinely appreciated or reciprocated by clubs.

Still, you've got to laugh.

Bang on , sometimes I sit there on a cold night and think "why".....