Can Someone Please Tell Me What Borrowdale Has Done Wrong?

[Robbo]

Reality is, I've been told he played badlly against peterborough and second half against Palace.

Thats it, no-one has come up with what he has done wrong.[/B]

Which, kinda proves my point.

"Kinda proves" nothing, because you're lying there, or haven't read the things you don't like to.
They have given plenty of examples. I have - in detail.

You might not agree, but don't blatantly pretend nobody has given more examples than those two, and then use that lie to say you've been proved right.
People aren't that stupid!

You're really poor at this written debating/stuff. And very transparent.

But I'm sure you'll be ok on the radio... in a Tony Blackburn/Timmy Mallett way, rather than a Jeff Stelling/Jermey Paxman stylee.

[sirpiechucker]

Sorry Pete but if someone proves you wrong or differs in opinion you ignore them and then re-state the question. Robbo, myself and other posters have answered your question and rather than accepting it you ask more questions.

Borrowdale is not the worst defender but is also not the best. If we trust Magilton's judgement on players like Faurlin then we should trust him on Williams. Just because a player has done anything wrong it does not mean they deserve their place in the side especially when a better player has come along.

[Bernie's Barnet]

Reality is, I've been told he played badlly against peterborough and second half against Palace.

Thats it, no-one has come up with what he has done wrong.

Which, kinda proves my point.

Reality is, Robbo came up with plenty of examples for you. Which kinda proves everyone else's point about you and how you conveniently ignore what it doesn't suit you to confront:

Here's his post for your ease of reference:

"To get away from the silly stuff for a second, and answer the original question.... he was poor against Forest (who openly targeted him), Posh, Palace (their penalty came from him losing yet another header - watch it), Leicester, first half v Derby against Lee Croft, both goals at Swansea came from crosses from his side that he was nowhere near to closing down, and more.

We'd had 3 goals from right backs this season, none from him, he doesn't get past his man on the overlap - because he has no pace. He loses the vast majority of aerial challenges, and I can HEAR him passing responsibilty to his midfielders (and Gorkks) when he is being attacked, and he hides in no-mans land.
He turns his back on crosses, and headed challenges... and is a very flimsy defender. I sit about 6 rows from the front of R Block, and have seen and heard this most weeks.
Lovely 1st touch, good passer over 10/15 yards. A really tidy footballer.

Pete - that is my opinion on the bloke based on what I've seen.
I don't give a s**t who signed him, who didn't play him last year, about GP, about what others say about him - even if their dad was Bobby Moore, and if he cost 50p, I'd say the same.

I don't care if people who seem to rate him have played at a decent level.... so have John Barnes, Bryan Gunn and Roy Keane... great seasons they've had. Roy Keane splashed a million on Delaney! Truly great player, Roy Keane. Good judge?

So there you have it. You asked for opinions and reasons to back them up. You've got plenty now. You don't agree?.... FINE. You don't need to.

But please don't come out with all the same old horse s**t about "scapegoats" and "negative fans"... because I have NEVER ONCE booed a QPR player, or even critisized a player like "Bozza" before. Ever.

It's not your opinion of GB that I have a problem with... it's your refusal to accept others, and the constant questioning of peoples motives for having their opinion of a player that they see with their own eyes, pay good money to watch... and they just simply don't rate.

One final thing... I honestly believe that if Matt Connolly hadn't fallen ill when he did, Gary Borrowdale would have been benched weeks ago, and now we've signed Tommy Williams - this whole thread has been about QPR's future reserve left-back.
And in my OPINION, quite right too."

[Spencer]

Lol - great thread...

In my opinion only....my preference for a defender would be to defend first.Borrowdale's defensive qualities in my opinion are average to say least.Borrowdale hasn't done much wrong and in fact in my opinion has improved, but still in my opinion lacks enough defensive qualities in my opinion to be a very good championship defender in my opnion.Going forward in my opnion he has a neat and tidy left foot, but in my opinion a defender should be good at defending.Williams im not sure over the last seasons how he has got on....but lets hope his defending is better than Borrowdales....and forget about his attacking qualities for time being..in my opinion.

[Bernie's Barnet]

Lol - great thread...

In my opinion only....my preference for a defender would be to defend first.Borrowdale's defensive qualities in my opinion are average to say least.Borrowdale hasn't done much wrong and in fact in my opinion has improved, but still in my opinion lacks enough defensive qualities in my opinion to be a very good championship defender in my opnion.Going forward in my opnion he has a neat and tidy left foot, but in my opinion a defender should be good at defending.Williams im not sure over the last seasons how he has got on....but lets hope his defending is better than Borrowdales....and forget about his attacking qualities for time being..in my opinion.

No sitting on the fence now...let's have your opinion

[Spencer]

Bernie...people get and take things to heart.

If people think differently from me(and im sure they do) thats fine.My opinion about defenders may not be the same as some by others might agree...doesnt make me right or wrong...just my opinion.

Ideally i would like a defender that could defend, pass, cross, shot score and make the half time tea's....

From what i have seen of Borrowdale - he looks a liabilty at the back.Others disagree....It's not the x factor you know....


LOCKDOWN>>>>>Let the Public decide.....what a croc of sh..t !

[themodfather]

gary neville was nigh useless, he has many medals, a fortune and 80 england caps
his brother was worse...and is similar

some can be "lucky"......borrowdale was brought in not on a free, then ignored and sent to loan.....treated quite poorly.
that's why a few in SAR support him, cos he tries and does the best he can.

[Jeff]

gary neville was nigh useless, he has many medals, a fortune and 80 england caps
his brother was worse...and is similar

some can be "lucky"......borrowdale was brought in not on a free, then ignored and sent to loan.....treated quite poorly.
that's why a few in SAR support him, cos he tries and does the best he can.

are you deliberately trying to have a most stupid post on thread competition with Pete?

Gary Neville was for many years the best right back in the World. name a better Right Back in the Premiership in the early to mid 2000's?

[SirLes]

are you deliberately trying to have a most stupid post on thread competition with Pete?

Gary Neville was for many years the best right back in the World. name a better Right Back in the Premiership in the early to mid 2000's?

I agree. They should bring out a training DVD on how to play right back and all they'd need to show is Neville at his peak playing for United. The overlapping with Becks, his defending and his overall work rate are incomparable.

He is a plonker though.

[Robbo]

are you deliberately trying to have a most stupid post on thread competition with Pete?

Gary Neville was for many years the best right back in the World. name a better Right Back in the Premiership in the early to mid 2000's?

Not sure about the World?!
Cafu, Salgado, Lizarazu and a few others might have something to say about that.

But English, yes.

[Jeff]

i picked my time period very carefully

mid 2000's lizarazu and cafu were shadow's of the world cup winning players they were, in my opinion. never really had that much of a hard on for salgado ever as it happens.

the fact that we're having to cherry pick world cup and european cup winners to compare Neville to sort of proves my, and negates Modfathers point thou!

[Bernie's Barnet]

gary neville was nigh useless, he has many medals, a fortune and 80 england caps
his brother was worse...and is similar

some can be "lucky"......borrowdale was brought in not on a free, then ignored and sent to loan.....treated quite poorly.
that's why a few in SAR support him, cos he tries and does the best he can.

Seem to remember that Rehman and Nygaard tried and did the best they could, but the support from a few in SAR was somewhat lacking. Why's that then?

[Robbo]

i picked my time period very carefully

mid 2000's lizarazu and cafu were shadow's of the world cup winning players they were, in my opinion. never really had that much of a hard on for salgado ever as it happens.

the fact that we're having to cherry pick world cup and european cup winners to compare Neville to sort of proves my, and negates Modfathers point thou!

True.
No doubt Neville was a ****** good, world class right back.

I'd still say Cafu was Number One up until about Brazil World Cup win in 2002.
Then Zesh Rehman took over, and the rest is history.

[Nodge70]

gary neville was nigh useless, he has many medals, a fortune and 80 england caps
his brother was worse...and is similar
some can be "lucky"......borrowdale was brought in not on a free, then ignored and sent to loan.....treated quite poorly.
that's why a few in SAR support him, cos he tries and does the best he can.

Rubbish. Gary Neville was a world class defender. One of the world's best right backs over the past 15 years by a distance. Cruelly underrated. Great positioning, fast enough to overlap, puts in a decent shift and can head the ball and fill in more than competently at centre back. Considering he had a sequence of Kanchelskis, Beckham and Ronaldo in front of him, he has had to work far harder than any of his contemporaries.

Would walk into any World XI of the decade.

(nb Lizarazu was a left back IIRC - Neville at his peak was better than Cafu and Salgado combined)

[qpruleok]

He's done nothing wrong and can not see him losing his place to Williams who wil just be a squad player surely