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  • nasser95
    Gold Seat
    • Dec 2012
    • 7216

    #91
    Originally posted by Shepherds Mush
    If Luongo is a better DM than Scowen then why didn't Holloway say Luongo will be his DM and then go and buy an attacking midfielder instead of Scowen?

    Because Scowen is a DM specialist and Luongo is an attacking CM.
    Because it's easier to buy a DM than an AM
    "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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    • West Acton
      CCG
      • Dec 2009
      • 21475

      #92
      Originally posted by nasser95
      Because it's easier to buy a DM than an AM
      Tell Arsenal fans that

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      • davieqpr
        Silver Seat
        • Mar 2011
        • 2804

        #93
        Also we didn't buy him which is a big factor.

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        • Tarbie
          Gold Seat
          • Mar 2009
          • 8542

          #94
          Originally posted by nasser95
          Because it's easier to buy a DM than an AM
          Not having that mate.

          Decent quality midfield enforcers are tough to find. In my opinion, Scowen is the first good player of that ilk we've had since Shaun Derry.

          Joey Barton could have played that role well too I think, but he was too busy trying to be David Beckham.

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          • nasser95
            Gold Seat
            • Dec 2012
            • 7216

            #95
            Originally posted by Tarbie
            Not having that mate.

            Decent quality midfield enforcers are tough to find. In my opinion, Scowen is the first good player of that ilk we've had since Shaun Derry.

            Joey Barton could have played that role well too I think, but he was too busy trying to be David Beckham.
            Creative players are more immediately valued by clubs because their role is easily quantified by the layman: Does he score? Does he assist? If he does, he's worth a lot.

            CDM's are much harder to truly value and end up being cheaper.
            "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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            • Tarbie
              Gold Seat
              • Mar 2009
              • 8542

              #96
              Originally posted by nasser95
              Creative players are more immediately valued by clubs because their role is easily quantified by the layman: Does he score? Does he assist? If he does, he's worth a lot.

              CDM's are much harder to truly value and end up being cheaper.
              Valued lower - yes. Easier to find - definitely not in my opinion.

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              • dave58
                Gold Seat
                • Jan 2010
                • 5285

                #97
                Defensive midfielders definitely harder to find that's why all the clubs are looking for them, and although not valued more in cash terms but definitely in playing terms, and believe me Luongo's & Freemans good start wouldn't have been anywhere near as good if it wasn't for the job Scowen does defensively, he's doing all the hard and unnoticed work, which allows the other 2 to go and play, their game further up the pitch, if one had to be missing one of them , I'd rather lose Luongo than Scowen there's cover for Luongo but not descent cover for Scowen
                But sadly if you wear rose tinted glasses you don't see other than what you want to,

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                • Tarbie
                  Gold Seat
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 8542

                  #98
                  Originally posted by dave58
                  Defensive midfielders definitely harder to find that's why all the clubs are looking for them, and although not valued more in cash terms but definitely in playing terms, and believe me Luongo's & Freemans good start wouldn't have been anywhere near as good if it wasn't for the job Scowen does defensively, he's doing all the hard and unnoticed work, which allows the other 2 to go and play, their game further up the pitch, if one had to be missing one of them , I'd rather lose Luongo than Scowen there's cover for Luongo but not descent cover for Scowen
                  But sadly if you wear rose tinted glasses you don't see other than what you want to,
                  This is how I see it too mate.

                  Not taking anything away from Luongo, he looks twice the player this season that he ever has for us before. But you certainly cannot downplay the importance of having a decent defensive midfielder in the team, to allow Luongo and Freeman to play their natural, attacking game.

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                  • Shepherds Mush
                    Platinum Seat
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 10325

                    #99
                    Originally posted by nasser95
                    Because it's easier to buy a DM than an AM
                    If it is easy to get a DM, then how comes we haven't had a decent one since Shaun Derry ?

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                    • Tarbie
                      Gold Seat
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8542

                      #100
                      Originally posted by Shepherds Mush
                      If it is easy to get a DM, then how comes we haven't had a decent one since Shaun Derry ?
                      Nail on head mate.

                      The fact that a player with as limited ability as Karl Henry has made a living for so long on the top 2 divisions is testament to how few decent players there are available for that role.

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                      • 1cliveallen
                        Bronze Seat
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 487

                        #101
                        If he's so good why is he playing for us? We all have favourite players at Rangers and I often read smithies best GK outside the prem, Hall is a top CB, Luongo best in the league, but no one has come in for them and we sell at the merest enquiry. I'll agree they are very good players and opinions and stats hide many things but cold hard cash is the best yardstick and we ain't fighting clubs away from our door..

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                        • Hubble
                          Postmodernist
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 5616

                          #102
                          I hope this thread isn't going to go on much luongoer.

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                          • Shepherds Mush
                            Platinum Seat
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 10325

                            #103
                            How well did Luongo do on Saturday back in his deeper role without Scowen in the side ?

                            Best player on the pitch or anonymous ?

                            Genuine question, not digging him out.

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                            • Kevin Mcleod
                              Referee
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 17322

                              #104
                              Read loads on twitter during the match when we kept going in front saying hes an absolute joy to watch and a majestic player etc.
                              Need nas to stat us up.

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                              • Stanley
                                Guest
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 23693

                                #105
                                Originally posted by Shepherds Mush
                                How well did Luongo do on Saturday back in his deeper role without Scowen in the side ?

                                Best player on the pitch or anonymous ?

                                Genuine question, not digging him out.
                                Luongo was probably our best player over the 90. Put in some superb tackles. Wheeler and Lua Lua were excellent in the first half. 2nd half Wheeler faded; Lua Lua continued well but was being constantly hacked down, until being forced off through injury. He was clearly targeted as our main attacking threat.

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