We are 100% going down

[Tarbie]

What is the new % of us going down ?

Nothing is a given but I'm more or less 100% sure this team won't go down. I'm also more or less 100% sure that we ain't going up either. Happy that we are moving forwards again though, and I'm hopeful that we can avoid any prolonged periods without a win like we saw a couple of times last season.

[Tarbie]

Sorry tarbs. I could of certainly worded it better. Nothing wrong with giving an opinion and I have you down as a loyal and slightly upper-class fan

No worries mate.

[Shepherds Mush]

What is the new % of us going down ?

[WeAreQPR12]

Sorry tarbs. I could of certainly worded it better. Nothing wrong with giving an opinion and I have you down as a loyal and slightly upper-class fan

[Tarbie]

Limited is absolutely ridiculous word to tarnish him with and you've let yourself down a bit there tarbs. Limited is a manager that plays negative football and is too arrogant to question his own ego. Ring any bells. Certainly unfashionable and you're right tarbs a few of you on here don't want him here but you've all got too personal about it

Let myself down? How do you work that out mate?

I've voiced an honest opinion on a message board and explained why I feel that way. Isn't that what you're meant to do on a message board?

As for "getting personal". Personal would be abusing Ollie from that terraces, which is something I don't do. I support the side and the manager when I go to games, like all fans should.

Anyway, pointless having this conversation again. Been here before, ain't we?

[WeAreQPR12]

Limited is absolutely ridiculous word to tarnish him with and you've let yourself down a bit there tarbs. Limited is a manager that plays negative football and is too arrogant to question his own ego. Ring any bells. Certainly unfashionable and you're right tarbs a few of you on here don't want him here but you've all got too personal about it

[Brian Wilson]

Tbf Tarbie he was the stereotypical lower league manager in his first spell here but now I think he has learned a lot and embraces new ideas. He over thinks things sometimes and it doesn't work... I'm still not sure what position Baptiste was playing against Millwall for instance but I think "limited" is unfair.

[Stanley]

Well for starters it ain't the only blot on his copybook.

True, but my main point is he's had good success at four clubs compared to two where it hasn't worked out. That's a pretty decent record for a manager in this day and age, and I just don't think you become a bad (or even average) one overnight.

[Tarbie]

Again this tactical nonsense, if a as you say great tactictal manager doesnt have the motivational skills thens his tactical awareness is useless! its about having the lot to get a team doing well and the right players. And disagree with you again as how do you think hes won things in football as a manager, in my books that would make him very tactically aware otherwise he wouldnt of won things!

Well let's put it this way, when I watch our games under Ollie I disagree with most of the decisions he makes in terms of formations, line-ups and substitutions. When I watched us under Neil Warnock, I found myself agreeing with 9 out of 10 decisions he made.

Not saying that I'm the oracle when it comes to football tactics. But it's how I feel, I know a lot of fans that agree with me!

[Pinkie]

Well for starters it ain't the only blot on his copybook. And for seconds, I was saying exactly the same thing about Ollie years ago when he was selecting Georges Santos at centre forward.

Ok, so it was a bit daft comparing him to Gaurdiola and Mourinho. But all I'm saying is that some managers are tacticians, others are motivators of people, some come with the whole package. I have never once questioned the fact that Ollie has at times in his career, been able to make groups of players better than the sum of their parts, purely down to getting a decent camp and team spirit going.

I think we need to accept what we have, and appreciate Ollie for what he does well. Rather than convince ourselves we have a decent tactical manager in the dug-out, cos we certainly don't!

Again this tactical nonsense, if a as you say great tactictal manager doesnt have the motivational skills thens his tactical awareness is useless! its about having the lot to get a team doing well and the right players. And disagree with you again as how do you think hes won things in football as a manager, in my books that would make him very tactically aware otherwise he wouldnt of won things!

[Tarbie]

So one blot on his copybook (which there were mitigating reasons for) in an otherwise pretty successful managerial career, now suddenly makes him a 'limited coach'? (whatever that means anyway, as it's such an arbitrary and vague description).

And I agree it's still way too early in the season to judge him so this whole argument is pretty worthless really.

It's also completely meaningless comparing him to a Mourinho or Guardiola who are obviously in the very top elite and thus the majority of managers don't come under that category.

Well for starters it ain't the only blot on his copybook. And for seconds, I was saying exactly the same thing about Ollie years ago when he was selecting Georges Santos at centre forward.

Ok, so it was a bit daft comparing him to Gaurdiola and Mourinho. But all I'm saying is that some managers are tacticians, others are motivators of people, some come with the whole package. I have never once questioned the fact that Ollie has at times in his career, been able to make groups of players better than the sum of their parts, purely down to getting a decent camp and team spirit going.

I think we need to accept what we have, and appreciate Ollie for what he does well. Rather than convince ourselves we have a decent tactical manager in the dug-out, cos we certainly don't!

[Stanley]

....after his stint at Millwall.

So one blot on his copybook (which there were mitigating reasons for) in an otherwise pretty successful managerial career, now suddenly makes him a 'limited coach'? (whatever that means anyway, as it's such an arbitrary and vague description).

And I agree it's still way too early in the season to judge him so this whole argument is pretty worthless really.

It's also completely meaningless comparing him to a Mourinho or Guardiola who are obviously in the very top elite and thus the majority of managers don't come under that category.

[Pinkie]

It's not a stupid comment in my opinion mate. Ollie is the dictionary definition of a "limited coach". All passion and heart, but very little tactical prowess. Let's be honest, with his level of passion and enthusiasm, if he understood the tactical side of the game, Ollie would be given Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola something to worry about. Instead he's back at about the only club in the top 2 division that were prepared to hire him after his stint at Millwall.

Disagree tarbie as alot is down to the players aswell and their intelligence, the lower in leagues you go down the harder it is, if you had pep here he`d fail in my opinion with lesser players! so i suppose jimmyflyodd was better tactically cos he had every fookewr satback staying in there positions parking the bus! its all a load of rubbish, ask cloughie.....footballs a simple game end of, its all about the players and how they mix and how intelligent they are & bonding & organisation as one & obviously the manager.

[Tarbie]

Its like a sheep mentality with this stupid comment "he`s limited as a coach!" how the fook can a manager whos won things be limited as a coach, firstly he is a manager and yes he coaches aswell which other managers dont all do, they leave it to their coaches, but he does coach aswell and has honors so a stupid comment to come out with as has he not had success?! even though hes obviously not the only coach!

It's not a stupid comment in my opinion mate. Ollie is the dictionary definition of a "limited coach". All passion and heart, but very little tactical prowess. Let's be honest, with his level of passion and enthusiasm, if he understood the tactical side of the game, Ollie would be given Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola something to worry about. Instead he's back at about the only club in the top 2 division that were prepared to hire him after his stint at Millwall.

[Pinkie]

I kind of agree with you,we have improved on last year (so far),but the league is stronger this year so we had too,iv been impressed by holloway so far this season,I like the guy,YES as a coach he is limited but he does love the club. We WILL have a slump at some stage,it's how we react will be the test for Ian,but as things stand I (a negative cant "apparently "��) think we will stay up and finish higher than last season

Its like a sheep mentality with this stupid comment "he`s limited as a coach!" how the fook can a manager whos won things be limited as a coach, firstly he is a manager and yes he coaches aswell which other managers dont all do, they leave it to their coaches, but he does coach aswell and has honors so a stupid comment to come out with as has he not had success?! even though hes obviously not the only coach!