No Chery, no Luongo. Three points.

[Shepherds Mush]

Amazing how differently some of us see Luongo

Personally think he's more suited to a number 10 role.

[guy.dunstan]

Amazing how differently some of us see Luongo

[Shepherds Mush]

Paul Scholes was famously good at winning the ball back wasn't he? Never mistimed tackles, did he?

And Luongo was brilliant at timing his tackles at Brighton wasn't he?

Point is, Scholes was a deep-lying midfielder...found time to score goals and assist strikers. Luongo is supposedly playing the same role but does absolutely fck all in the assist and goals department.

[James1979]

I should add that your team mates will be expecting you to pass to them not lose it, so are unlikely to be better set up defensively because you have beaten an opponent. From what you've said, shows to me why these stats are so misleading

[James1979]

It advances your position and makes losing it less of a risk given the position you lost it in is less threatening than it was prior. It puts the opposition under more pressure to clear it and give you a chance to start again but at least you have the ball, and if they don't clear it and play it out, the extra time with the ball means that your teammates can reposition to get closer to the ball and win it back. Football is all in the little moments and the changes to the positioning they result in. That extra 2 or 3 seconds of dribbling can make a big difference to the setup of the field.

If you have the ball, beat a man and then pass it but lose the ball, it's obvious to me that you have had a poor passage of play no? The little moment of passing it and losing the ball is key as it ruins forward momentum for your team.

[upperloft]

It advances your position and makes losing it less of a risk given the position you lost it in is less threatening than it was prior. It puts the opposition under more pressure to clear it and give you a chance to start again but at least you have the ball, and if they don't clear it and play it out, the extra time with the ball means that your teammates can reposition to get closer to the ball and win it back. Football is all in the little moments and the changes to the positioning they result in. That extra 2 or 3 seconds of dribbling can make a big difference to the setup of the field.

Lol.. I love you Nas.

[nasser95]

I meant more that if you go on a dribble, beat 1 man and then get tackled by the 2nd man, what happens? For me if you lose the ball, doesn't mater whether you beat first man.

It advances your position and makes losing it less of a risk given the position you lost it in is less threatening than it was prior. It puts the opposition under more pressure to clear it and give you a chance to start again but at least you have the ball, and if they don't clear it and play it out, the extra time with the ball means that your teammates can reposition to get closer to the ball and win it back. Football is all in the little moments and the changes to the positioning they result in. That extra 2 or 3 seconds of dribbling can make a big difference to the setup of the field.

[James1979]

I'm not quite sure I gather what you mean... are you asking what happens to the score if you fail a dribble attempt compared to a pass attempt?

It's dependent on whether it leads to a goalscoring opportunity. They have rating multipliers that affect the change that the move results in. If he failed a dribble, generally expect the rating loss to be just slightly greater as in most cases, that puts everyone on the team at a disadvantage.

Just looking at it, you lose 0.04 for being dispossessed directly but less than 0.01 for an unsuccessful pass. If that is considered an "error" leading directly to a goalscoring chance, you'll lose a lot more. If it leads to an actual goal, you'll lose even more.

I meant more that if you go on a dribble, beat 1 man and then get tackled by the 2nd man, what happens? For me if you lose the ball, doesn't mater whether you beat first man.

[nasser95]

I'm pretty happy with Smithies and i think Ingram is a very good back up, but apart from that not overly happy with anything else at the moment. Oh and Karl Henry very effective at what he does. And the stats comment was only really aimed at your constant biggin up of Luongo, as i'm sure you realised.

But he hasn't been very effective at what he does... his aim is to stop goals going in, yet when he's playing, we concede 1.7 goals per game. Without him, we concede only 1.1 goals per game...

Even looking directly at his individual contributions, he makes 1 tackle a game, 1.4 interceptions, fouls 1.7 times a game, clears the ball less than once a game, loses the ball (in a deep position) 0.6 times a game, wins 1 aerial duel a game, plays a total of only 28.3 passes per game. I see nothing there that stands out as impressive for a defensive midfielder apart from maybe his interceptions which aren't even all that given what else he brings to a match.

I big up Luongo because surely it can't be good for any young footballer to get comments, be they on here or on social that suggest that they aren't wanted. Luongo is very talented and has shown that at the club and beyond, and I hope he can continue to show it at my club in spite of the fans who seem to get on the backs of the people who are at least trying and are clearly growing.

[guy.dunstan]

[QUOTE=nasser95;1595469]Wow, and there are some who say I talk down to people, you're just invalidating someone's work.

You do come across a very negative as a poster, the only positive thing I've seen you post was regarding the Watford and Leeds fixtures and that was one post a piece and anything related to Lord Kelvin Henry... Is there anything at the club right now that you enjoy? Not a question with which I'm using to talk down to you, just a genuine curiosity I have[/QUOTE
I'm pretty happy with Smithies and i think Ingram is a very good back up, but apart from that not overly happy with anything else at the moment. Oh and Karl Henry very effective at what he does. And the stats comment was only really aimed at your constant biggin up of Luongo, as i'm sure you realised.

[nasser95]

Bet he lost a few points last Tuesday.

Haha @ Brighton was his worst game for us if I'm not mistaken.

[brightonr]

Just looking at it, you lose 0.04 for being dispossessed directly but less than 0.01 for an unsuccessful pass. If that is considered an "error" leading directly to a goalscoring chance, you'll lose a lot more. If it leads to an actual goal, you'll lose even more.

Bet he lost a few points last Tuesday.

[corbray]

One of my best mates works for bt sport mainly on champions league and national league games and hes said theres a huge team of people that literally compile stats of every game as their job. Its almost second nature to them

[nasser95]

Shame. What a waste of time, still doesn't make Luongo any better!

Wow, and there are some who say I talk down to people, you're just invalidating someone's work.

You do come across a very negative as a poster, the only positive thing I've seen you post was regarding the Watford and Leeds fixtures and that was one post a piece and anything related to Lord Kelvin Henry... Is there anything at the club right now that you enjoy? Not a question with which I'm using to talk down to you, just a genuine curiosity I have

[guy.dunstan]

To my understanding, there are people who have footage of every game and just go through the footage, dragging the mouse to the relevant position and clicking to select the correct action that occurred. A lot of effort goes into collecting the minute by minute data and a lot of employees working on live matches.

Shame. What a waste of time, still doesn't make Luongo any better!