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  • Jimmy Floyd Rabbit
    Gold Seat
    • Sep 2012
    • 8957

    #106
    Originally posted by Tarbie
    So get rid of him and work out whether we need to pay him up for his 1 year contract or not when the full investigation is finished. His position is so clearly untenable now, I don't understand why we are delaying the inevitable.
    Now that I agree with.

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    • Mellowhoop
      Gold Seat
      • Apr 2010
      • 5698

      #107
      Jimmy,

      Right or wrong, his tactics and results are questionable. If my performance at work was under the expectation from my bosses and i was caught trying to earn extra money above or below board, my position would be questioned.

      He is finished, the fans will use this against him every time there is a below part performance.
      http://twitter.com/Mellowhoop

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      • Tarbie
        Gold Seat
        • Mar 2009
        • 8542

        #108
        Originally posted by Jimmy Floyd Rabbit
        Now that I agree with.
        This is my point mate.

        Whether we have legal rights to terminate his contract or not is neither here nor there. The cost of paying up Jimmy's 1 year rolling contract is negligible in the grand scheme of things.

        I believe that we have seen enough to say that his behaviour was inappropriate and damaging to the club at very least. Illegal and/or a breach of contract, probably but that's up to the lawyers to decide. Either way, he's signed his own death warrant and I don't beleive there is anything that can come out of the full transcript that will undo that.

        Get it done before the club is made to look any more stupid!

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        • jmelanie
          Gold Seat
          • Aug 2011
          • 7525

          #109
          Originally posted by Hardy
          I thought he said he has to pay tax on it, less if paid outside UK
          Residents of the U.K. have to pay tax on all income whether it be earned in the U.K. or abroad.

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          • Tarbie
            Gold Seat
            • Mar 2009
            • 8542

            #110
            Originally posted by jmelanie
            Residents of the U.K. have to pay tax on all income whether it be earned in the U.K. or abroad.
            True, but there are a lot of smart tax avoidance tactics that can be utilised for money earned offshore. Unethical of course, but not necessarily illegal (think back a few months to the David Cameron scandal). You'd need to see the full transcript and employ a tax specialist to know if what Jimmy was talking about there was illegal or not.

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            • hal9thou
              Silver Seat
              • May 2012
              • 4258

              #111
              Originally posted by Jimmy Floyd Rabbit
              He legally hasn't done anything wrong from what I can see.
              No one is suggesting he has. What he has done is offer third party services while under contract here on the basis of financial inducement. Unprofessional, naive and contrary to his stated aim of 'giving 100%' to the club.

              I'm interested in his other business activities but that's another story........

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              • Tarbie
                Gold Seat
                • Mar 2009
                • 8542

                #112
                Originally posted by hal9thou
                No one is suggesting he has. What he has done is offer third party services while under contract here on the basis of financial inducement. Unprofessional, naive and contrary to his stated aim of 'giving 100%' to the club.

                I'm interested in his other business activities but that's another story........
                He might have done something illegal.

                As I've just said on another thread, there is a definite admission of tax avoidance. Whether it could be proven as tax fraud or not would require the input of a tax specialist.

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                • Joe90
                  Silver Seat
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 1080

                  #113
                  The club is taking the correct action in so far as having a proper investigation is better than a knee-jerk reaction. They still may sack him, he could be in breach of his contract or it could be gross misconduct? Either way the club is obliged to look into it properly.

                  I think if we lose tomorrow and lose badly that will surely be the final nail in his coffin.Tomorrow's going to be tense, the Ruperts will be expecting to walk all over us.

                  If we can muster up the siege mentality as fans, out sing them, that will the only shred of dignity we can bring back to the club. At the very least as fans it's in our hands to turn up and make some noise, no excuses.

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                  • West London is Rss
                    Gold Seat
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 6372

                    #114
                    When that video was released last night I was like 'Whyyyyy?!!', having watched it a couple of times I think it sheds fantastic clarity and it's brilliant communication for the fans.

                    Les looks peeved IMO, and so he should be. This was supposed to be a new direction, a new QPR, and he thought he'd found the right guy.

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                    • Stanley
                      Guest
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 23693

                      #115
                      Club statement - investigation update

                      Club provides further update on internal investigation ...

                      QPR can confirm that we are currently unable to proceed any further with the club's internal investigation at this stage, as The Telegraph are yet to provide full and complete unconditional disclosure of all the information it has, despite a number of requests from both the club and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink's legal team.

                      We urge The Telegraph to provide full disclosure of all its information relating to the allegations, including video footage and a full transcript of the discussions that took place.

                      The club believes this information should not be provided selectively, but unedited and unconditionally, in order for the club to view the full context and the sequence of what was said by all parties to include in its investigation.

                      Once again, we appreciate the QPR fans want this issue dealt with as quickly as possible, which is why we request full cooperation from The Telegraph in providing us with the aforementioned footage and transcript.

                      Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, his staff and the R’s players remain 100% focused and committed on the job in hand, and as a club we would encourage our supporters to show their passionate and loyal support, as they always do, when we play Fulham in the Sky Bet Championship tomorrow (Saturday) lunchtime.

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                      • jmelanie
                        Gold Seat
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 7525

                        #116
                        Originally posted by Tarbie
                        True, but there are a lot of smart tax avoidance tactics that can be utilised for money earned offshore. Unethical of course, but not necessarily illegal (think back a few months to the David Cameron scandal). You'd need to see the full transcript and employ a tax specialist to know if what Jimmy was talking about there was illegal or not.
                        Cameron was different because it was an investment not earnings which was dealt with by his tax accountant. Perhaps JFH was going to declare this payment but then why pay it into his Dutch bank account. Also not sure where the 10% came from because the Netherlands has one of the highest income tax rates in the EU.

                        I assume that the club asked JFH about his tax affairs.
                        Last edited by jmelanie; 30-09-2016, 09:12 AM.

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                        • James1979
                          Silver Seat
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 4857

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Stanley
                          Club provides further update on internal investigation ...

                          CLUB STATEMENT - INVESTIGATION UPDATE

                          QPR can confirm that we are currently unable to proceed any further with the club's internal investigation at this stage, as The Telegraph are yet to provide full and complete unconditional disclosure of all the information it has, despite a number of requests from both the club and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink's legal team.

                          We urge The Telegraph to provide full disclosure of all its information relating to the allegations, including video footage and a full transcript of the discussions that took place.

                          The club believes this information should not be provided selectively, but unedited and unconditionally, in order for the club to view the full context and the sequence of what was said by all parties to include in its investigation.

                          Once again, we appreciate the QPR fans want this issue dealt with as quickly as possible, which is why we request full cooperation from The Telegraph in providing us with the aforementioned footage and transcript.

                          Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, his staff and the R’s players remain 100% focused and committed on the job in hand, and as a club we would encourage our supporters to show their passionate and loyal support, as they always do, when we play Fulham in the Sky Bet Championship tomorrow (Saturday) lunchtime.

                          Read more at http://www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/20...MrGMqoEXTPf.99

                          http://www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/20...e-3337908.aspx
                          Will keep his job then. Dodgy and crap manager and we're stuck with him.

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                          • James1979
                            Silver Seat
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4857

                            #118
                            Originally posted by Tarbie
                            He might have done something illegal.

                            As I've just said on another thread, there is a definite admission of tax avoidance. Whether it could be proven as tax fraud or not would require the input of a tax specialist.
                            Depends where he's resident for tax purposes. Assuming he's uk resident now, he'd have to declare that income and will be taxed on it, irrespective of what bank account it's paid into. If he's Dutch resident, can't see the issue.

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                            • West London is Rss
                              Gold Seat
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 6372

                              #119
                              Has he gone yet?

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                              • Stanley
                                Guest
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 23693

                                #120
                                Originally posted by James1979
                                Will keep his job then. Dodgy and crap manager and we're stuck with him.
                                Probably only for 3 months though.

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