Where has jfh gone wrong?

[jmelanie]

As Stan says maybe other clubs just sussed us out straight away - that matched with playing toilet and differing team selection.

Shodipo plays an absolute blinder first game and gets dropped. That was the 1st baffling decision of the season. We beat Cardiff but that's not my point...

Whatever happened over the international break...

It was before the international break. Firstly at Barnsley where we may have been a bit unlucky, then PNE where we were abysmal. Did ok against Wigan. Blackburn was another bad game followed by Newcastle and Huddersfield. We played quite well against Leeds. Leeds started slowly but are improving. We beat Cardiff but then they are bottom.

[West London is Rss]

As Stan says maybe other clubs just sussed us out straight away - that matched with playing toilet and differing team selection.

Shodipo plays an absolute blinder first game and gets dropped. That was the 1st baffling decision of the season. We beat Cardiff but that's not my point...

Whatever happened over the international break...

[Stanley]

Thing is though, we did against Leeds and Cardiff. Ever since, it's just been poor. Can't understand what's changed.

Obviously the opposition managers watched those games and did their homework on us. I mean we're very predictable and one-dimensional, thus easy to prepare against, right?

[Ginger Ninja]

You'd think given JFH's methods and rigorous training regime, the one thing we'd have would be intensity to our game - But strangely we don't even have that.

Something has to be wrong IMO - Whether it's dressing room related and players not believing in JFH or something else...

Thing is though, we did against Leeds and Cardiff. Ever since, it's just been poor. Can't understand what's changed.

[croxleyhoops]

Agree that the "defensive mids" don't have to be negative positions. One can provide the cover in front of the centre halves but the other should be capable of instigating attacks and linking with Chery and forwards, albeit from a deeper position. If both can do that and take turns in sitting then all the better. I do not see that point in Henry playing there. He will receive the ball, look up and would rather play the ball two yards for a centre half than pass the ball forward. If he gets it back he passes to the other centre half. He also hardly makes any tackles in a game and just jockey's the opposition rather than presses in away that will regain possession.
A midfield of Luongo, Cousions and Chery, told to play positively would link up well and bring the forwards into the game without isolating them.

[West London is Rss]

You'd think given JFH's methods and rigorous training regime, the one thing we'd have would be intensity to our game - But strangely we don't even have that.

Something has to be wrong IMO - Whether it's dressing room related and players not believing in JFH or something else...

[Hubble]

Unfortunately JFH seems under the impression that this is just a glitch and confidence will return and we will start playing as well as we did before. What he doesn't understand is that before was not particularly good (we got lucky in a few games). He has never indicated that perhaps he needs to reevaluate and try something new, even though everybody is screaming out for him to do this. Maybe it's not stubbornness and this is the only way he can set players up to play. Though having said that not playing Sandro has to be down to his stubborn nature.

You see this is simply not true. I watched the final pre-season v Watford live, I was at the first game v Leeds and listened to us play Cardiff away live, then watched the whole match on catch-up. Versus Watford our pressing game totally dominated and we won 2-0. Versus Leeds we were in their faces from the off and played an excellent pressing game. We rightly won 3-0. Versus Cardiff the match commentator described it as 'the perfect away performance.' We won 0-2. That is not down to luck.

Since then the game plan seems to have unravelled and i don't know why exactly, but I have offered some explanations in my earlier post. What I take on board is what others in this thread have said, and that's that teams have found us out, because we always start with the same formation, so JFH's lack of flexibility is an issue. The lack of a class striker is our biggest problem IMO.

No one knows what's going on with Sandro, so as I said, I think it's pointless to speculate, even though plenty have made some large assumptions. As I also said, I think that performances will improve once Sylla, Borysiuk, Wszolek and N'gbakoto are fully up to speed and integrated.

[nasser95]

But I don't understand why we need two play two DMs ever - be it home or away and regardless of the oppo in this league.

The job of the DM is to protect the back four, break up play and pass the ball to a team-mate. Having two CMs do this is overkill and a waste of a position, surely?

In the words of Simon Le Bon: "Can someone please explain the reason for this strange behaviour?"

Think it's about how you look at them. Luongo or Cousins shouldn't be that deep by their nature and the idea that we saw on opening day was Henry would be deep and sweeping, Luongo would win it higher up. Since then, the other central midfielder, be it luongo or cousins has dropped deeper and deeper, as Henry has seemed weaker and weaker with each passing week. My main criticism of JFH is keeping Henry in. I don't disagree with his formation or what he wants to do, but that one position is so important that we really should be playing Ariel there preferably.

[nasser95]

According to him, he hasn't got it wrong.

http://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/q...ism-style-play

Must just be us then !

To be honest, what he said there isn't wrong. We played exactly the same way in the opening 2 games and won 3-0 and 2-0 and looked like a proper team. With a lack of confidence right now, players are pulling in deeper, not taking risks, but that wasn't how we played on opening day and going by that performance as what JFH wants from us, seeing what we're seeing now is just a sign of a lack of confidence.

What I've seen these last few weeks is that with defeat, people will question literally everything possible. You go from blaming players to managers, to formations, to owners, to transfers. Soon we'll blame the groundsmen, eventually the LR Squirrel will have to deal with some backlash.

[Stanley]

As others have said, when you are at home to Preston and Blackburn you don't require 2 defensive midfielders who restrict your creativity and attacking threat.

But I don't understand why we need two play two DMs ever - be it home or away and regardless of the oppo in this league.

The job of the DM is to protect the back four, break up play and pass the ball to a team-mate. Having two CMs do this is overkill and a waste of a position, surely?

In the words of Simon Le Bon: "Can someone please explain the reason for this strange behaviour?"

[brightonr]

According to him, he hasn't got it wrong.

http://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/q...ism-style-play

Must just be us then !

[Kevin Mcleod]

Every manager we get is stubborn.
Redknapp stubborn with Adel.
Ramsey stubborn with Chaz.
Jfh stubborn with the beast,

[jmelanie]

Unfortunately JFH seems under the impression that this is just a glitch and confidence will return and we will start playing as well as we did before. What he doesn't understand is that before was not particularly good (we got lucky in a few games). He has never indicated that perhaps he needs to reevaluate and try something new, even though everybody is screaming out for him to do this. Maybe it's not stubbornness and this is the only way he can set players up to play. Though having said that not playing Sandro has to be down to his stubborn nature.

[Shepherds Mush]

I don't agree that it is a lack of budget or team formation. We have spent more of transfers than over half of the league and 4-2-3-1 is being used form by most of the league, just not as negatively as us.
During pre season we came back earlier than most teams so that we could get a level of fitness so that we can press teams and win the ball back quickly. In reality we play too deep, sit off the opposition and watch them play. The teams that play our formation have a holding midfielder with a little creativity, to pick a pass or run with the ball. Ours just seem to sit back and hit a hopeful long ball and wait for it to come back.
Jordan Cousins in his first interview after signing said he felt he was signed for his box to box running. Since he has been stuck on the wing and then stuck on the halfway line. The remaining signings with the exception of Bidwell are in and out of the side or not being given starts.
We need to loosen the shackles and allow our midfield to support the front players.

Great post - fully agree.

[croxleyhoops]

I don't agree that it is a lack of budget or team formation. We have spent more of transfers than over half of the league and 4-2-3-1 is being used form by most of the league, just not as negatively as us.
During pre season we came back earlier than most teams so that we could get a level of fitness so that we can press teams and win the ball back quickly. In reality we play too deep, sit off the opposition and watch them play. The teams that play our formation have a holding midfielder with a little creativity, to pick a pass or run with the ball. Ours just seem to sit back and hit a hopeful long ball and wait for it to come back.
Jordan Cousins in his first interview after signing said he felt he was signed for his box to box running. Since he has been stuck on the wing and then stuck on the halfway line. The remaining signings with the exception of Bidwell are in and out of the side or not being given starts.
We need to loosen the shackles and allow our midfield to support the front players.