League One Standard........

[MattyRangers]

Here's an interesting look at our preferred 11 for you:

Smithies - Established championship
Perch - Past Prem/Established Championship (Player of the year for a championship club)
Onuoha - Established Prem/Established Championship
Caulker - Regular Prem Player/Established Champ player
Bidwell - Ex League 1/Now 3 seasons into the Championship
Luongo - Established League 1/Championship regular and championship Quality with potential
Henry - Established Championship Player/Prem Exp
Yeni - Top Ligue 2 (League 1 quality) Player/Ligue 1 Experience
Chery - Top Eredivisie Player (Champ Standard)
Wszolek - Established Serie A Player (Prem/top champ Standard)
Polter - Established Bundes 2 and regular Bundes 1 Player with Champ Experience

Even our Bench has Cousins who is champ standard with champ experience, Hall who is champ standard with Champ experience, etc.

We've got players with the right pedigree, we need them working together. it's that simple. They'll learn, they'll take time.

Mate I've got to admire your optimism, but all that is totally meaningless. If you reeled off such descriptions against our squad of 2012/13 we would have sounded like a team challenging for the PL - we had 5 CL winners in our squad ffs

[hal9thou]

all that is totally meaningless.

Sure - you can have all the talent in the world but unless its deployed properly it wont get you very far.

[guy.dunstan]

He has been one of our best players this season.

Wish I could see what you do

[acricketer]

Wish I could see what you do

Luongo is a drongo. Featherweight millstone.

[nasser95]

Mate I've got to admire your optimism, but all that is totally meaningless. If you reeled off such descriptions against our squad of 2012/13 we would have sounded like a team challenging for the PL - we had 5 CL winners in our squad ffs

But that wasn't the point haha. The point is that the players that 77 is saying he wants, is actually what we have, they just aren't playing like it recently.

[nasser95]

This whole Luongo isn't strong enough is just absolute bs from people who don't pay attention to him.

[Qprtanpa1]

I've been an active QPR fan from the States for four years, with no connection to the team other than my fascination with how or when the unintentional dysfunction would ever end. We all agree we want to build a winner with an attitude to match. We all agree that we'd rather lose playing entertaining football than win boring the faithful to tears. We all agree shuffling managers, and players, in and out is not a recipe for success. But the one thing that MUST stop is the stubbornness to challenge, the unwillingness to adapt, the courage to lose big as a bridge to learning how to win big. Right now, we have none of these things. JFH may be the right manager, maybe not, but he owes us more than this. And this much we know: as much as winning breeds a happy locker room, and a supportive fan base, TRYING to win with everything we got is a close second.

[acricketer]

I've been an active QPR fan from the States for four years, with no connection to the team other than my fascination with how or when the unintentional dysfunction would ever end. We all agree we want to build a winner with an attitude to match. We all agree that we'd rather lose playing entertaining football than win boring the faithful to tears. We all agree shuffling managers, and players, in and out is not a recipe for success. But the one thing that MUST stop is the stubbornness to challenge, the unwillingness to adapt, the courage to lose big as a bridge to learning how to win big. Right now, we have none of these things. JFH may be the right manager, maybe not, but he owes us more than this. And this much we know: as much as winning breeds a happy locker room, and a supportive fan base, TRYING to win with everything we got is a close second.

Your frustration is the same for all of us. Take risks, learn, be courageous. We are a bunch of nancys at the moment with no prospect of change.

[Bigdave]

You could sell sand to Arabs......

Was thinking the same thing.

Jesus Christ Onoura established prem player? Really? I'm 42 and I'd fancy my chances playing against him

[Jeems]

I've been an active QPR fan from the States for four years, with no connection to the team other than my fascination with how or when the unintentional dysfunction would ever end. We all agree we want to build a winner with an attitude to match. We all agree that we'd rather lose playing entertaining football than win boring the faithful to tears. We all agree shuffling managers, and players, in and out is not a recipe for success. But the one thing that MUST stop is the stubbornness to challenge, the unwillingness to adapt, the courage to lose big as a bridge to learning how to win big. Right now, we have none of these things. JFH may be the right manager, maybe not, but he owes us more than this. And this much we know: as much as winning breeds a happy locker room, and a supportive fan base, TRYING to win with everything we got is a close second.

10/10 for Tuesday night in that case!

[nasser95]

Was thinking the same thing.

Jesus Christ Onoura established prem player? Really? I'm 42 and I'd fancy my chances playing against him

The fact is, however poor you think he is (which he isn't), he's played premier league football for 10 years out of his 12 years of playing football. This will only be his 3rd year in the championship, so yes, he's an established premier league player.

[Stanley]

he's played premier league football for 10 years out of his 12 years of playing football.

What proportion of those 10 years was spent actually playing, and not on the bench or in the reserves - out of interest?

[nasser95]

What proportion of those 10 years was spent actually playing, and not on the bench or in the reserves - out of interest?

Sure thing, he made 188 prem appearances in 10 years, or the equivalent of nearly playing half a season of football every season. Impressive considering a lot of that time was at Man City.

[Norths]

Sure thing, he made 188 prem appearances in 10 years, or the equivalent of nearly playing half a season of football every season. Impressive considering a lot of that time was at Man City.

Another way of breaking it down-
4 years at City pre Arab money, when I suspect he made a large amount of his city appearances.
3 and a half years at city post arab money, in which time he spent a year on loan with the mackems.
2 and a half years with us, which included two relegations.

[nasser95]

Another way of breaking it down-
4 years at City pre Arab money, when I suspect he made a large amount of his city appearances.
3 and a half years at city post arab money, in which time he spent a year on loan with the mackems.
2 and a half years with us, which included two relegations.

Actually a year before Arab money, city got money from Thaksin Shinawatra who brought in Eriksson. Here's the breakdown for Ned:

PreMoney: 04/05; 05/06; 06/07 - 17, 10, 18 apps

Post Money at City: 07/08; 08/09; 09/10 - 16, 23, 10 apps

1 Season at Sunderland: 10/11 - 31 apps

2 Seasons (1 and a half) with QPR pre relegation: 11/12; 12/13 - 16, 23 apps

1 Season after Promotion: 14/15 - 23 apps

10 seasons where he made a pretty consistent amount of appearances to be honest... No change really before and after city got money.