Chery discussion

[stanistheman]

The real shame is that the team is being built around him to the detriment of other players and a system that doesn't work.

Sylla and Polter would thrive in a 4 4 2 with wingers delivering crosses into the box, but no we have to play a 4231 just so that Chery can play in the middle of the 3.
It's not as if he is even creating chances for others.

Warnock built a team around Taarabt, but the latter produced the goods to justify the decision.

[norfolk ranger]

Sell him in January. .would be no great loss..pony of a player.

[West Acton]

K ant of a player proper dead weight in this side

[nasser95]

Stan is spot on Nas his corner taking is so inconsistent. Yes he can whip a good ball in but for everyone one of them there are two which go out for a throw or hit the first man. Also how can you describe his corners as phenomenal when two never even made it into play??? Taking a corner is arguably one of the easiest jobs a professional footballer can do i.e. Kicking a dead ball with opposition not being allowed within 12yards of you and as the taker you have the advantage of knowing what your going to do along with your team mates which leaves opposition on back foot. Hitting first man, going long or putting it out is unforgivable and sloppy and you should not be defending it (this applies to any player)

Why do people misread stuff I say. I said that he took a couple of phenomenal ones, which I firmly stand by. I didn't say all of them were and I didn't say he was extremely consistent with them. But not many players end up taking 11 corners in a match and there's always going to be some inconsistency brought about by the sheer number he has to take in most matches.

[qprted]

agreed he always starts well but then drifts out of game as it gets colder and colder but get good again in the brilliant sunshine at the end of the season in truth he should be kept
on the bench

[West Acton]

Stan is spot on Nas his corner taking is so inconsistent. Yes he can whip a good ball in but for everyone one of them there are two which go out for a throw or hit the first man. Also how can you describe his corners as phenomenal when two never even made it into play??? Taking a corner is arguably one of the easiest jobs a professional footballer can do i.e. Kicking a dead ball with opposition not being allowed within 12yards of you and as the taker you have the advantage of knowing what your going to do along with your team mates which leaves opposition on back foot. Hitting first man, going long or putting it out is unforgivable and sloppy and you should not be defending it (this applies to any player)

[brightonr]

Oh boy !

I'm losing the will to live.

[nasser95]

I watched the whole game on Player too and clearly we were watching a different game. Besides I wasn't only referring to his corners but his general suffering form over the last few games.

But the particular point was regarding his corners, which is why I thought it was harsh as his corner delivery was quite good in general, bar a few that were too deep and didn't even make it in. I watched the game overall finally and I thought he had a decent game, got involved all over the pitch and made the tackle along with Perch to get us the goal. It's not as spectacular as he could be doing, but he's not exactly done badly, he's sort of being a 6.5-7 as opposed to being an 8 or 9 at this level regularly.

[Stanley]

Again, watch the corners just like I did and you'll see that they didn't get worse and worse by any means and in fact, Gladwin only took the role later on for one corner to bring more unpredictability since he's right footed and can swing it in differently. I've given you a list of minutes for the 90 minutes on player to watch, I suggest you watch them.

I watched the whole game on Player too and clearly we were watching a different game. Besides I wasn't only referring to his corners but his general suffering form over the last few games.

[nasser95]

And therein lies the problem with stats. What that doesn't tell you is that the corners were hit too long and landed on one of our players having to stretch on the far end of the box; thereby not getting enough power or direction on the header to create a goalscoring opportunity. The fact is our corners ran into double figures, the first couple Chery took were decent, but they got worse and worse after that, until eventually someone else took over from him. To sum up, his corner taking was total sh|te against Bristol and none of your misleading and massaging of stats will change that. And to describe his set pieces as 'phenomenal' is utterly absurd.

Again, watch the corners just like I did and you'll see that they didn't get worse and worse by any means and in fact, Gladwin only took the role later on for one corner to bring more unpredictability since he's right footed and can swing it in differently. I've given you a list of minutes for the 90 minutes on player to watch, I suggest you watch them.

[Stanley]

Statistically, Chery hit 11 corners with 6 of them reaching the head of one of our players.

And therein lies the problem with stats. What that doesn't tell you is that the corners were hit too long and landed on one of our players having to stretch on the far end of the box; thereby not getting enough power or direction on the header to create a goalscoring opportunity. The fact is our corners ran into double figures, the first couple Chery took were decent, but they got worse and worse after that, until eventually someone else took over from him. To sum up, his corner taking was total sh|te against Bristol and none of your misleading and massaging of stats will change that. And to describe his set pieces as 'phenomenal' is utterly absurd.

[nasser95]

Unbelievable.

Nasser, with all due respect, that is complete nonsense mate. You are either on the wind up, or you need to look up the definition of phenomenal...or you need to get your eyes tested. For someone claiming to be a statistician some of your posts are truly shocking, and are in fact the polar opposite of statistical.

Statistically, Chery hit 11 corners with 6 of them reaching the head of one of our players. So statistically, he hit at least 6 good corners. Statistically, 4 of those corners led directly to a shot on goal so statistically, he did a very good job on corners, considering he created 4 direct opportunities to score.

[nasser95]

I was at the game and no set piece was "phenomenal". They were mostly woeful. Can't beat the first man most of the time and when they did they went too far. For it to be phenomenal something has to come of it.

You described Yen's performance against Swindon as "phenomenal". He played well, got a goal but hardly set the world alight or looked a class above anyone else.

I was at the game too, and you really ought to rewatch the match on player, particularly these minutes on the video: 6.35; 7.20; 9.40; 19.20 (a deep back post corner played back into the middle); 33.40; 52.25; 1:07:50. Considering he took 11 corners all night and I'd say these were all at the very least good deliveries, I'd say he's done well with them. As I said, 3 of them were particularly great deliveries that should have been put away.

His set pieces are extremely varied which means that teams can't prepare for them really. Some go front post and flat, some go back post and high to be played back into the middle, but for 7 of your 11 deliveries to be very good, I'd say that's quite the opposite of woeful.

As for Yeni, his performance in that match was man of the match worthy and again, watching the motm video on youtube, you can see his talent, unlike sandro, he won that not because of the goal, but because of how well he did for the rest of the match. It is just Swindon but he did very well all game.

[Stanley]

he delivered 3 really phenomenal set pieces.

Unbelievable.

Nasser, with all due respect, that is complete nonsense mate. You are either on the wind up, or you need to look up the definition of phenomenal...or you need to get your eyes tested. For someone claiming to be a statistician some of your posts are truly shocking, and are in fact the polar opposite of statistical.

[SammyKojoe]

Chery had inconsistency with his corners, a couple were really poor, but he delivered 3 really phenomenal set pieces. Perfect height and power on them. The fact is that we get enough corners to be comfortable allowing a couple of them to not be good in order to get those great deliveries too.

I was at the game and no set piece was "phenomenal". They were mostly woeful. Can't beat the first man most of the time and when they did they went too far. For it to be phenomenal something has to come of it.

You described Yen's performance against Swindon as "phenomenal". He played well, got a goal but hardly set the world alight or looked a class above anyone else.