Under 11s let in 29!

[FurtiveFox]

It was a bad day at the office no denying. It was hard and differcult. Man City great bunch of lads, world class manager, sleeping giants. We just need to run about a bit.

[jmelanie]

Maybe they should play the Australian Women's Team

[Hubble]

It was a bad day at the office no denying. It was hard and differcult. Man City great bunch of lads, world class manager, sleeping giants. We just need to run about a bit.

[jfish]

1 goal conceded every 3 minutes. Bad coaching. I don't know the effect it will have on these youngsters, but some of the maulings our other teams consistently get, depresses the hell out of me.

They don't play 90 mins.

So potentially let a goal in every one or two minutes.

[Southport]

You often hear of games that go 10-0 or something like that, and I wouldn't have mentioned the score if that had been the result, but this is a big margin. Easy to say that Man City coaches should have backed them off, but if the players think they need to be clinical to stay on at Man City, the coaches probably don't want them to drop their intensity.

Hopefully the QPR lads can shrug it off and forget about it

[Shepherds Mush]

Heard it was too easy for us at 1-0 up so we took our foot off the gas.

[upperloft]

They don't play 90 mins.

So potentially let a goal in every one or two minutes.

Think it is 30 mins each way, but often split the games in 4 x 20mins. Not the only time they have been spanked. Heard Fulham stuck 15 odd past them.

[dogsrrs]

Are some of you seriously blaming Ramsey for an U11 defeat?

Brian what's the point of having under 11players if they arn't coached to best level the club can give them Ramsey is head of development it's his job to see young players of any age get that , would you praise him For putting in a good coaching system for u 11 If they were playing well and look like they were getting a good understanding of how to play football

[hal9thou]

, the late, great Johann Cruyff. He refused to point to the results of the teams below the first team as a signal of the quality of players.

As you yourself acknowledged when I pointed out how our greatest success in the old Div 1 was achieved by controlling possession, times have changed. And QPR are not Barcelona. We need to start building a culture of success, a winning mentality, and that starts below the first team. Bill Shankly, arguably the greatest manager of an English club ever, who started with a mediocre team of loosers not unlike ours (but with far less money spent, obviously) instilled this ethos throughout the club.

Equally, it is a mistake to get into team play and tactics too young. If I was running the show ;) there would be no formal team football at U11 stage. They'd be learning to love the ball. But sooner or later - 14 or 15 - you have to get your hands dirty and learn how to add winning to the skills.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Bodes well for the future

[dogsrrs]

As you yourself acknowledged when I pointed out how our greatest success in the old Div 1 was achieved by controlling possession, times have changed. And QPR are not Barcelona. We need to start building a culture of success, a winning mentality, and that starts below the first team. Bill Shankly, arguably the greatest manager of an English club ever, who started with a mediocre team of loosers not unlike ours (but with far less money spent, obviously) instilled this ethos throughout the club.

Equally, it is a mistake to get into team play and tactics too young. If I was running the show ;) there would be no formal team football at U11 stage. They'd be learning to love the ball. But sooner or later - 14 or 15 - you have to get your hands dirty and learn how to add winning to the skills.

Hal the late great Cruyff didn't play one side of kids against another side of kids when they played he kept interchanging the players from side to side so as you rightly say they were learning to work the ball and were rotated around every position to give them an understanding of team play

[nasser95]

As you yourself acknowledged when I pointed out how our greatest success in the old Div 1 was achieved by controlling possession, times have changed. And QPR are not Barcelona. We need to start building a culture of success, a winning mentality, and that starts below the first team. Bill Shankly, arguably the greatest manager of an English club ever, who started with a mediocre team of loosers not unlike ours (but with far less money spent, obviously) instilled this ethos throughout the club.

Equally, it is a mistake to get into team play and tactics too young. If I was running the show ;) there would be no formal team football at U11 stage. They'd be learning to love the ball. But sooner or later - 14 or 15 - you have to get your hands dirty and learn how to add winning to the skills.

Times have changed indeed, and yet, as you fail to acknowledge, the Cruyffian ethos still runs through barcelona today, hence their second team getting relegated and finishing mid table, as I said, not exactly instilling a winning ethos is it, and as I said again, watch the players who come out of that team. Why should we not try to emulate the very best if we want to be the very best?
Barca B has only ever come in the top 5 of the liga adelante twice. In 2006/07 they came 19th in the third division, their lowest position in a long time. That team included Giovanni Dos Santos, Bojan Krkic, Victor Vazquez, Jordi Gomez and Ruben, who have all gone on to have very good futures individually. In 14/15, they got relegated from the second division with a team that included Alex Grimaldo, Jean Marie Dongou, Adama Traore, Munir and Alen Halilovic. Do you think they cared? Of course not because the most important thing was teaching the players how to play the game.

This country has failed for too long to truly develop a world class youth setup because we care most about the result. We know that Southampton have probably the best youth setup yet they barely ever win youth level tournaments. Yet they always produce players because they want to teach the players how to play the game and put the winning second.

[upperloft]

Times have changed indeed, and yet, as you fail to acknowledge, the Cruyffian ethos still runs through barcelona today, hence their second team getting relegated and finishing mid table, as I said, not exactly instilling a winning ethos is it, and as I said again, watch the players who come out of that team. Why should we not try to emulate the very best if we want to be the very best?
Barca B has only ever come in the top 5 of the liga adelante twice. In 2006/07 they came 19th in the third division, their lowest position in a long time. That team included Giovanni Dos Santos, Bojan Krkic, Victor Vazquez, Jordi Gomez and Ruben, who have all gone on to have very good futures individually. In 14/15, they got relegated from the second division with a team that included Alex Grimaldo, Jean Marie Dongou, Adama Traore, Munir and Alen Halilovic. Do you think they cared? Of course not because the most important thing was teaching the players how to play the game.

This country has failed for too long to truly develop a world class youth setup because we care most about the result. We know that Southampton have probably the best youth setup yet they barely ever win youth level tournaments. Yet they always produce players because they want to teach the players how to play the game and put the winning second.

Barca B never got dicked 29-1

[Ginger Ninja]

They're a bunch of farking kids for christ sake! Can't believe this thread has reached a second page!

[peterlund.dk]

I remember LF saying something about youth teams and winning in an interview with Clive from LFW, and I looked up the Q&A in Q:
"The youth team was competitive though, it won play-off finals down here, the odd cup. Very few people watch the youth teams week to week obviously but they see the results now, which have been very poor across the age groups, and it adds fuel to that fire doesn’t it?

LF: The youth team won play-off finals, fantastic. How many players did it produce for the first team? People put too much emphasis on teams winning. The only team that needs to win at the football club is the first team. Everything else is about developing players. The players who won things here in the youth team, where are they now?

I got asked this at the fans forum, am I worried about the Under 18 results? No.

Look at our record for developing players at Tottenham. We had Benteleb, Ryan Mason, Tom Carroll, Andros Townsend, Harry Kane, Stephen Caulker coming through the system. The U21 team we had at Tottenham, I think only two of them didn't make it as footballers at all. Some went elsewhere - Nathan Byrne went to Swindon and then Wolves, Ryan Fredericks went to Bournemouth then Fulham, Jon Obika is at Swindon – but they're all playing bar two of them.

We weren't ever worried about the U21s winning. Often somebody would ask us the score and we didn't know. We'd do things like take Jon Obika aside before a game and tell him to make ten runs into the channel this half, tell him all we wanted him to do was see how often he could go in behind. If he gets in behind and scores then brilliant, bonus, but it was about developing his game and teaching him to do that."

So if winning or losing isn't a priority for the U18 team, it would be even less of a priority for kids running around kicking footballs at age 8-10 in hooped shirts. I think a 29-1 bashing in an U11 match is a shocking display of poor sportsmanship, and I think using this result to bash named people involved in the QPR youth setup is embarrassing. All though less embarrassing than the lack of sportsmanship showed by the MCFC U11 coaches.