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  • Bluehoop
    Gold Seat
    • Mar 2009
    • 9258

    #151
    Originally posted by nasser95
    Hence originally bringing in Phil Beard. The issue is, you bring someone like him in after you get the stadium location guaranteed, he isn't the man to find it and do everything else at the club.
    Agreed
    #standuptocancer
    #inyourfacecancer

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    • hal9thou
      Silver Seat
      • May 2012
      • 4258

      #152
      Originally posted by nasser95
      the stadium is an absolute must.
      profoundly disagree with this for reasons given a very long time ago. Rather than rehash them, trust me when I say there is a coherent case for not doing this.

      Neither course of action (staying vs leaving) is a no brainer, all the more so given current financial uncertainty.
      Last edited by hal9thou; 15-07-2016, 07:26 PM.

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      • West Acton
        CCG
        • Dec 2009
        • 21475

        #153
        Originally posted by hal9thou
        profoundly disagree with this for reasons given a very long time ago. Rather than rehash them, trust me when I say there is a coherent case for not doing this.

        Neither course of action (staying vs leaving) is a no brainer, all the more so given current financial uncertainty.
        So bigger clubs then us see benefits of new ground to grow like spurs, arsenal man city etc and smaller clubs then us also see benefits like Brentford Doncaster Rotherham Northampton Colchester etc but you think QPR should stand still and not do anything??

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        • nasser95
          Gold Seat
          • Dec 2012
          • 7216

          #154
          Originally posted by West Acton
          So bigger clubs then us see benefits of new ground to grow like spurs, arsenal man city etc and smaller clubs then us also see benefits like Brentford Doncaster Rotherham Northampton Colchester etc but you think QPR should stand still and not do anything??


          Once again, we are actually getting quite close to the bottom of the championship table in capacity (bottom four as it stands), which means at this level, gates are embarrassingly low, no gates income at championship level means no really class signings that can elevate us into the prem, where again, we'll be bottom of the chart on stadium capacity. You can say that gates amount to very little when compared to tv money, but we'll be entry level when we get in, meaning everyone else has a headstart on the spending. Add on the fact that what top player would rather play in front of 18k fans as opposed to 30-40k fans and how uncomfortable and dilapidated LR is slowly becoming and I can't see any reason to stay.

          The reasoning of "all the more so given current financial uncertainty." is surely self validating, given that the financial uncertainty is brought about by spending above our means, where our means are primarily comprised of the gate receipts... Bigger and better stadium = Less financial uncertainty.
          "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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          • LoftusRoadLad
            W12 Seat
            • Jan 2011
            • 19582

            #155

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            • Stanley
              Guest
              • Mar 2009
              • 23693

              #156
              Oaklands Plans Spark New Row Between Cargiant and QPR

              Boss Tony Mendes repeats 'there will never be a stadium' on his company's land

              Tony Mendes has issued a statement headlined 'Clarity on Cargiant's Land at Old Oak Common', saying: " Following recent misleading reports that Genesis Housing Association and QPR's planning approval from the OPDC Planning Committee for a 600-home development improves the Club’s ability to deliver a stadium here we wanted to once again set out our position with regard to our land, the Cargiant site."

              This was followed by the re-publishing on the Old Oak Park website of a letter written to QPR supporters in March this year.

              In the letter, he said: " I can confirm that neither Cargiant, nor our development partner London & Regional Properties, are in any discussions with QPR and that we will not enter into any such discussions or agreements with the Club in any way, shape or form.

              " In short, we will never agree to a stadium on any part of our land under any circumstances and we have made that position crystal clear to the Club, the GLA and the OPDC on numerous occasions.

              " The reason is quite simple. A stadium would be completely the wrong use for our land. Our site is critical to the success of Old Oak Common and a stadium requires an enormous amount of land which would hugely reduce its ability to deliver new homes, jobs and other uses such as a cultural quarter – and all for a use which lies largely dormant for the vast majority of the year.

              " We are committed to bringing forward a masterplan that is far more sensitively designed, that has incredible parks and open spaces, and that has far greater benefits for local residents and surrounding communities than is possible with a stadium. Our approach is also backed by policy and the latest policy framework issued for consultation by the OPDC does not include a stadium on our site."

              Even more emphatically, the letter continues: " The statements of QPR implying that a stadium could be built on Cargiant land are at best confusing and at worse misleading. Under no circumstances will we consent to a stadium on our land. Any further work by the Club in this direction is futile."

              Read more: http://neighbournet.com/server/common/hfoldoak013.htm

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              • Hitman34
                Platinum Seat
                • Jan 2012
                • 13959

                #157
                oops, just bumped the other one. sorry stan, did not see this.
                nsa/cia spy on this..............┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

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                • West Acton
                  CCG
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 21475

                  #158
                  I think its so funny how we have them dancing to our tune. Car Giant really are pathetic and look more and more desperate with every press release they do. Whoever is advising them is an amateur

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                  • Pinkie
                    Silver Seat
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 4664

                    #159
                    I see that as hes having non of it and is shouting to make it clear and if i owned the land & saw someone making statements about building on my land,id do the same! i certainly wouldnt say nothing!
                    http://soundcloud.com/pinkie2

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                    • nasser95
                      Gold Seat
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 7216

                      #160
                      This guy is coming across a right borefest isn't he? "A stadium would be a poor use of space we could put parks in"... my god he'd be fun at parties wouldn't he.
                      "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                      • West London is Rss
                        Gold Seat
                        • Jun 2013
                        • 6372

                        #161
                        Cargiant are just a poxy used car dealership for christ sake...

                        This muppet will relinquish the fight eventually... He know's it makes sense.

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                        • Kirill
                          W12 Seat
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 19359

                          #162
                          Originally posted by West London is Rss
                          Cargiant are just a poxy used car dealership for christ sake...

                          This muppet will relinquish the fight eventually... He know's it makes sense.
                          Talk about being poxy and relinquishing the fight,
                          remember a certain Tony Fernandes and Caterham?
                          So I wouldn't bet on Cargiant ending up as the loser here.
                          Banning people is no longer my hobby,
                          but take a look at my photo blog:

                          http://kirillqpr.blogspot.com/

                          How and why did I start supporting QPR in Estonia:
                          http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/blog.php?b=852

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                          • dogsrrs
                            Gold Seat
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 6671

                            #163
                            Is car giant beginning to twitch as we have the another option at old oak common lane ?

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                            • nasser95
                              Gold Seat
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 7216

                              #164
                              Originally posted by dogsrrs
                              Is car giant beginning to twitch as we have the another option at old oak common lane ?
                              I think their aim was to sell at a ludicrous price since that was our only option before... maybe things have forced them to take a new stance
                              "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                              • Jimmy Floyd Rabbit
                                Gold Seat
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 8957

                                #165
                                Originally posted by nasser95
                                I think their aim was to sell at a ludicrous price since that was our only option before... maybe things have forced them to take a new stance
                                I used to think this guy had more fun enough rights to have a moan. Just because we are fans we should still remain fair & understand he has a business to protect, but now I've started to actually think he's a proper pr!ck.

                                What a stupid statement about parks. Plum.

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