Harsh on Harry?

[DeepcutHoop]

This entire dialogue boils down to this: staying in the Premier League. If Harry can't turn around our fortunes over the next six games, you make the change. If he does, both owner and manager feel they've given it a proper go. Harry DOES deserve credit for keeping promotion; but at this level that doesn't equate to tenure. Best all.

Spot on.

[dsqpr]

I don't think I like the personal attacks on some fellow fans.

Please learn to respect that someone else might have a different opinion to you.

If you don't like their opinion, then simply ignore their post.

But swearing at other posters and calling them names, I don't like that, and it makes the forum a not so nice place to visit.

Just a few persistent offenders on here NiceGuy, who seem more interested in attacking other posters and making sarcastic jibes than in giving their own opinion. That's what the "ignore list" is for: Settings --> Edit Ignore List

Harry deserves credit for our promotion - he was here long enough for it to have been his team and he coached them. However, it is where we are going from here that matters now, not what we can see in the rear view mirror.

[Nick]

The point I was making was that if we didn't have Harry and had any half decent manager, I am sure we would have got promoted.

You sure about that?... Would be interesting to know how many managers would of been able to clear out all that dead wood/poisonous attitudes immediately after being relegated, then completely rebuild a team on a budget and win promotion 1st time around... I'm honestly not sure many managers would be able to do that... you make it seem so easy though!

[West London is Rss]

You sure about that?... Would be interesting to know how many managers would of been able to clear out all that dead wood/poisonous attitudes immediately after being relegated, then completely rebuild a team on a budget and win promotion 1st time around... I'm honestly not sure many managers would be able to do that... you make it seem so easy though!

I think it was Harry just being Harry that got us promotion.. he managed to sign very experienced players on the basis of knowing them very well.
I think he should take the credit in bringing the good lads he brought in but I think other people should take the credit for the team moulding together and being all in it together.

[Shepherds Mush]

You sure about that?... Would be interesting to know how many managers would of been able to clear out all that dead wood/poisonous attitudes immediately after being relegated, then completely rebuild a team on a budget and win promotion 1st time around... I'm honestly not sure many managers would be able to do that... you make it seem so easy though!

Agree with this 100%. People are forgetting the state we were in, which if handled badly would have seen us go down again IMO.

[dogsrrs]

Agree with this 100%. People are forgetting the state we were in, which if handled badly would have seen us go down again IMO.

Got agree with Mush and Nick I think peoples disappointment with the poor start has clouded their memory of just how much poison was running the playing staff

[Nick]

I think it was Harry just being Harry that got us promotion.. he managed to sign very experienced players on the basis of knowing them very well.
I think he should take the credit in bringing the good lads he brought in but I think other people should take the credit for the team moulding together and being all in it together.

Yeah the players themselves probably bonded together without the managements help, just naturally gelled. But it was Harry who moulded that team by bringing them in, by picking certain players from past experience (by the way something only Harry Redknapp could do).

[Marshy]

You sure about that?... Would be interesting to know how many managers would of been able to clear out all that dead wood/poisonous attitudes immediately after being relegated, then completely rebuild a team on a budget and win promotion 1st time around... I'm honestly not sure many managers would be able to do that... you make it seem so easy though!

I think this is a myth - much like the myth that Harry is a great "wheeler and dealer". Clearing out deadwood isn't difficult, and any manager who is half good can do that.

[Nick]

I think this is a myth - much like the myth that Harry is a great "wheeler and dealer". Clearing out deadwood isn't difficult, and any manager who is half good can do that.

Ok.

[Marshy]

He didn't do poorly. He got us promoted.

He did it in a fashion that was probably not much fun to watch, and he potentially should have got us up automatically, but doing the job required of you is not doing poorly. It's a damn sight more than a lot of previous managers achieved.

You cannot take his credit away and give it to McLaren at the same time. McLaren had the same tools available, plus he ######ed off to Derby after not many games, and failed to get them promoted.

You do not fluke a promotion over 46 games, even if the goal that finishes the job has an element of good fortune.

I disagree with you completely. Again, if I am manager of a team full of really good players who are much better than the rest, and I do rubbish team selections, and the team still wins the title (which was required of me), it doesn't mean I could not have done poorly.

I was saying Steve Mclaren was the one responsible for our good start that was ultimately the reason we got into the play-offs. A lot of credit should go to Steve if anyone for our promotion.

[West London is Rss]

Yeah the players themselves probably bonded together without the managements help, just naturally gelled. But it was Harry who moulded that team by bringing them in, by picking certain players from past experience (by the way something only Harry Redknapp could do).

Yeah agree. He brought some good lads in.. Unfortunately he is finding out the same trick in Prem doesn't work.

[Marshy]

But still not giving him credit for the fact that it was a team HE assembled AFTER clearing out all the deadwood.

Giving him credit with all your caveats isnt REALLY giving him credit, that much is pretty obvious. But hey, all about opinions as always.

You make it seem as if assembling a team when you have a budget better than all your opponents is a difficult task. I don't think so, but as you said, it is all about opinions, and that is mine!

[Nick]

Yeah agree. He brought some good lads in.. Unfortunately he is finding out the same trick in Prem doesn't work.

I actually think he's brought the right players in. We've got a very attacking side with lots of experience at a high level and still young.... BUT I do think his management ideas are past it.

[dogsrrs]

I disagree with you completely. Again, if I am manager of a team full of really good players who are much better than the rest, and I do rubbish team selections, and the team still wins the title (which was required of me), it doesn't mean I could not have done poorly.

I was saying Steve Mclaren was the one responsible for our good start that was ultimately the reason we got into the play-offs. A lot of credit should go to Steve if anyone for our promotion.

The football wasn't great under Steve Mac and we did have an easy start to last season but yeah we got results

[Marshy]

I think I need to clarify my position, because I think some posters are taking my post out of context.

The context is that some posters say "we should all be grateful to Harry and praise him for doing so much for QPR because he got us promoted".

I disagree. I think we should thank him for doing the job that was expected of him - namely, to get rid of some players, and to use the much larger budget we had than other teams in that division to get replacements and get us promoted. So, yes, I give him credit there. But should we all sit there "praising" him? No, I don't think so, because what he did was the least that would be expected of any half-decent manager on the salary he is on.

Ok, how many of you are old enough to remember the 1986 World Cup? If you remember it, then you would remember Batista. He was a decent player. But no one will say "Argentina won the World Cup because of Batista". And the reason is, Argentina won the World Cup because of Maradona. Even if Batista did not play, it wouldn't really have mattered, Argentina would have got someone else in who would have done just as well. Of course, we should all thank Batista for doing his part in helping them win the World Cup, but to suggest Batista was the reason they won is just crazy!
Similarly, I think we can thank Harry for being the manager of our team that got promoted. But to suggest he did a great job that not many other managers would have been able to do is just crazy!